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ColinC

(8,295 posts) Sat Jul 30, 2022, 09:56 AM Jul 2022

Do you support direct military intervention into Ukraine by NATO immediately? [View all]

Last edited Sat Jul 30, 2022, 12:47 PM - Edit history (1)

Russia has likely just murdered a fair amount of POWs after they have bragged of likely torturing and killing Ukrainian POWs. Is the line still the NATO border?

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	Yes
	22 (31%)
	No
	46 (64%)
	Something else/other
	4 (6%)
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Do you support direct military intervention into Ukraine by NATO immediately? [View all] ColinC Jul 2022 OP

The Russians would back down immediately if the world unified against them cutroot Jul 2022 #1

Yep ColinC Jul 2022 #2

You prefer a faster end to life on the planet than climate change is bringing? Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #4

They are already over extended cutroot Jul 2022 #6

There are approximately 13000 nukes in the world Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #8

they are not going to take on the world for this cutroot Jul 2022 #10

NATO is not the world. former9thward Jul 2022 #11

You're willing to chance the destruction of the entire human race? MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #13

seems a bit paranoid why would Putin want to destroy himself? cutroot Jul 2022 #16

You sure don't understand the Russian mind do you? MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #19

you seem so anxious for everyone to fight the russians cutroot Jul 2022 #21

No, you're not talking deterrence, you're talking about directly engaging Russian MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #26

just repeating the same old premise does not prove your point cutroot Jul 2022 #36

This ain't 1939 and Pres. Biden is no Chamberlain. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #39

again, the same worn out premise cutroot Jul 2022 #43

Have a great weekend and think about what you're actually proposing and the consequences MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #47

i'll be too busy signing up at the Ukranian embassy cutroot Jul 2022 #51

Well, good luck with that and I hope you come home safe and not fucked up in the head. nt. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author Mariana Jul 2022 #81

No, Chamberlain did not say that about Poland muriel_volestrangler Jul 2022 #117

I like how they also leave out the fact Mariana Jul 2022 #122

So, I guess in a way, Pres. Biden is like Chamberlain, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #123

This, exactly this DetroitLegalBeagle Jul 2022 #83

Thank You!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #97

..attack with Cruise missiles and drones.. thomski64 Jul 2022 #14

Ohhh, another one willing to chance the destruction of civilization. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #15

If Russia were to threaten to use nukes on a NATO member would you expect us to back down? ripcord Jul 2022 #22

Threatening to use nukes and attacking a NATO member are 2 entirely different things. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #24

So you would be fine with the US fully suppoting a NATO member against Russia ripcord Jul 2022 #27

You read stuff funny. We need a common language. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #29

It seems they got it right. Basically you are okay with risking the destruction of civilization ColinC Jul 2022 #32

There's a fly in the kitchen. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #33

Is Ukraine a signatory member of NATO or not? MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #34

No. But basing action on the intangible line of "attacking a NATO member" while disregarding ColinC Jul 2022 #42

NATO is a DEFENSIVE alliance, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #44

NATO is far from just a defensive alliance if Iraq and Afghanistan mean anything ColinC Jul 2022 #46

There is nothing "intangible" about "attacking a NATO member". Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #49

Except for the lines that define a NATO member ColinC Jul 2022 #50

You have crossed the intangerine line. I am sending a squadron of nuclear carp after you. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #54

.... ColinC Jul 2022 #55

Time to deploy the tactical trout brigade. LudwigPastorius Jul 2022 #98

Oh man, that's going to leave a mark. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #100

Now, see, that is a very tangible attack. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #108

Why use nukes when there are laser sharks?? ColinC Jul 2022 #113

Those are so obsolete. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #115

Nobody is fucking backing down, where do you come up with this? MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #28

We are staying out of this conflict because Russia is threatening to use nukes ripcord Jul 2022 #30

We're not staying out of this war, we're providing billions of dollars of weaponry, training MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #31

Because we are tired of the atrocities ripcord Jul 2022 #38

Ok, now I get it, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #41

I did my time and they don't want a 60 year old ripcord Jul 2022 #45

I did my time also, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #48

...and if they don't? spanone Jul 2022 #40

Exactly!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #52

i say, send in a secret Assasination force to destroy Putin and his allies Trueblue1968 Jul 2022 #96

No. Elessar Zappa Jul 2022 #3

Of course not. J_William_Ryan Jul 2022 #5

Today is Saturday and Putin has threatened to use nukes 48656c6c6f20 Jul 2022 #7

Ukraine rso Jul 2022 #9

NATO should escort ships with Ukrainian wheat through the Black Sea. Fiendish Thingy Jul 2022 #12

Stopping war crimes is the job for UN and International Court, not NATO. Beastly Boy Jul 2022 #17

The UN is a paper tiger ripcord Jul 2022 #20

It is. Still, not a reason to dump their responsibilities on NATO. Beastly Boy Jul 2022 #23

No one is dumping anything on NATO if they act it will be in their own self interest ripcord Jul 2022 #25

Nato's self-interest is spelled out in its charter. Beastly Boy Jul 2022 #102

And yet they did just that in Libya nt EX500rider Jul 2022 #114

The UN Security Council was the organization that authorised the use of force in Libya. Beastly Boy Jul 2022 #116

Russia should be ejected from the UNSC. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2022 #68

Ukraine should have been a NATO member before the war started ripcord Jul 2022 #18

And you'd be wrong... brooklynite Jul 2022 #37

They were up to be a NATO member in 2008 ColinC Jul 2022 #72

You'll be enlisting? brooklynite Jul 2022 #35

Already have. ColinC Jul 2022 #61

In Ukraine? Mariana Jul 2022 #84

That would be illegal ColinC Jul 2022 #85

Well good luck and don't forget to write! BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #93

Thanks! ColinC Jul 2022 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #120

It's a trap. The 2 questions do not necessarily share 1 answer. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #56

Based on NATO's performance in Lybia DashOneBravo Jul 2022 #57

FWIW NATO was defending a disorganized coalition of opposition militias ColinC Jul 2022 #59

Or so you think. nt. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #62

Yeah the latter is what I meant. ColinC Jul 2022 #63

I know, I read it. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #66

Did my time in the US Army ColinC Jul 2022 #69

.... MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #70

Hoooah Marines!! ColinC Jul 2022 #71

Hell no! Emile Jul 2022 #58

Welcome home brother. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #60

Hard to answer a poll sarisataka Jul 2022 #64

Poll question is the first one. ColinC Jul 2022 #67

I suggest setting the hunters loose. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2022 #65

NATO doesn't intervene when blacks in Africa are massacred. Kaleva Jul 2022 #73

NATO has ignored most massacres. ColinC Jul 2022 #74

History this suggests then that NATO will not get directly involved Kaleva Jul 2022 #75

Ukraine has been on a path to join NATO since 2008 ColinC Jul 2022 #80

Also, the victims are white. This attracts the attention of Western nations. Kaleva Jul 2022 #82

That may be the case, but Ukraine has been a heavy national security partner ColinC Jul 2022 #86

It didn't take long for us to be involved in the Balkans Kaleva Jul 2022 #89

...and probably a better example than Ukraine for racially prejudiced military intervention ColinC Jul 2022 #90

You may want to review the membership and purpose of NATO ... Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #76

A massacre in a non-NATO nation thus doesn't trigger a response Kaleva Jul 2022 #77

Exactly. I was reading your comment as a call to arms, rather than a plain statement of fact. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #79

I didn't make myself clear.in that post Kaleva Jul 2022 #131

And when a NATO partner is attacked, it also doesn't necessarily warrant an attack ColinC Jul 2022 #87

NATO should have gone in when Russia attacked. I do not believe Putin will start WWIII. Dysfunctional Jul 2022 #78

War is still a racket robodruid1 Jul 2022 #88

+1 Celerity Jul 2022 #106

No bout adoubt it. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #110

hard pass on WWIII Celerity Jul 2022 #91

No. mvd Jul 2022 #92

I believe that would escalate into a nuclear conflict pretty fast. mike_c Jul 2022 #94

But the OP has assured us that won't be the case, that it won't happen BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #95

Nobody assured anybody of anything. ColinC Jul 2022 #112

LOL BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #119

Other. Stop drip feeding them weapons and give them EVERYTHING. Crunchy Frog Jul 2022 #99

You're thinking like a westerner, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #101

I've been reading your posts and have decided to put you on ignore. Crunchy Frog Jul 2022 #104

Wow!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #105

It's the wheels. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2022 #111

No. Send more weapons and take in more refugees. DickKessler Jul 2022 #107

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #109

Send Ukraine everything they need except nuclear weapons. roamer65 Jul 2022 #118

I could get on board with this. ColinC Jul 2022 #121

Nip this damn war in the bud! lunatica Jul 2022 #124

I think the Ukrainian Army is doing a pretty good job on Russia's military. MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #125

Yet it seems war crimes are proliferating daily lunatica Jul 2022 #127

True, but I'm still dead set against US/NATO direct military intervention, MarineCombatEngineer Jul 2022 #128

Hell no Polybius Jul 2022 #126

I'm not sure what you think can happen BootinUp Jul 2022 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jul 2022 #130

Hoping the Russian people will fix their Putin problem, Roisin Ni Fiachra Jul 2022 #132