Man punches nurse for removing wife's burqa during c-section

[Ms. Toad]

132. You have no idea how I feel about the dress of native people

or laws, which you have not even identified, which prohibit it. I have deliberately not engaged with you in that discussion.

Most of your second paragraph still insists that you have the right to determine what is or is not an element of someone else's faith. No one has the right to determine that for anyone else. I'm not in a huff - I am just not going to have a discussion about the ethics of laws banning garb which some of the wearers HAVE identified as religious, with someone who continues to insist the right not only to make laws, but also to determine whether or not the garb banned by those laws is really religious.

I will note that it is interesting that you feel free to assert on behalf of aboriginal cultures a religious basis for nudity, which I do not believe they claim. At the same time you deny that the burqa could possibly be religious, even though it is claimed to be religious by some of the people wearing it. In both instances you are claiming the right to determine for another group of people what their religious beliefs are.

That perspective is just a non-starter for me. I am not going to debate the right of individuals to determine for themselves what their religious beliefs require of them.