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25. I take my cue from Cheryl Rofer
Thu Aug 11, 2022, 12:57 PM
Aug 2022

She did a long form post at Lawyers Guns and Money on Tuesday. It's worth the time to read through this account by someone who has actually handled and worked with classified documents. The final paragraph addresses the declassification of documents by the President (a former President has no power to do that):

Coda: We will now go through the “Actually, the President holds the ultimate classification authority” stage of social media. This is not untrue, but the way it is used is almost always misleading. (The clue is “actually.”) Even for the President, a certain amount of paperwork and justification is required to declassify classified material. And after noon, January 20, 2021, Trump no longer had that authority. If he had documents with classified markings at Mar-a-Lago, he was in violation of the regulations. Whether it was a crime depends on the level and type of classification.


Which means that on his way out the door at 11:59 a.m. on January 20, 2021, the former guy couldn't just wave his little hands over the contents of the last U-Haul and say, "I de-classify thee, I de-classify thee, mea maxima de-classify thee" and have done with it. There has to be a record of that declassification, otherwise the other people with access to those documents don't know how they are to be handled.

The former guy and his minions would like everyone to believe that de-classification of documents is like the old Harlem Globetrotters "time out, time back in" gag, where Meadowlark Lemon would call time out to get his defender to relax his guard, then call "time back in" and fly by him for a lay-in. But that's not the way it works.

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A former President can't do anything...people need to brush up on their civics. brooklynite Aug 2022 #1
That is what we were discussing here.. Trump is a private citizen and Peacetrain Aug 2022 #4
No, if TFG gave a foreign power classified documents, it is not treason Darwins_Retriever Aug 2022 #34
And some need to brush up on their politeness MLAA Aug 2022 #6
Current, yes... Former, no Ohio Joe Aug 2022 #2
yep.. Peacetrain Aug 2022 #11
He can't retroactively declassify them. Claustrum Aug 2022 #3
This!!! Peacetrain Aug 2022 #7
A President has the power to classify or declassify at will Abnredleg Aug 2022 #5
not as a former president.. he is a private citizen Peacetrain Aug 2022 #8
I was referring to the President Abnredleg Aug 2022 #12
Yep.. and you know I am thinking he might try that tactic Peacetrain Aug 2022 #16
But that doesn't affect the Archives...everything is required to store there regardless if a Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #15
Correct /NT Abnredleg Aug 2022 #17
I did not know that!! learned something new today Peacetrain Aug 2022 #23
This reality is terrifying and a window moonscape Aug 2022 #31
A sitting President can. A former President cannot. MineralMan Aug 2022 #9
But that's what TFG did while in office. Claustrum Aug 2022 #19
Yes, he did. He was not a careful nor thoughtful President. MineralMan Aug 2022 #24
A president can declassify, but there is a procedure- viva la Aug 2022 #10
You mean he can't just wave his tiny hands over them and yell, "Declassificorum!"? tanyev Aug 2022 #35
Important to remember that no matter whether or when they were declassified zuul Aug 2022 #13
+1000 Peacetrain Aug 2022 #18
And on top of that, any normal human being, let alone an ex-president, Claustrum Aug 2022 #22
Any normal pres wouldn't pack up moonscape Aug 2022 #32
As of noon January 20, 2021 he was illegally in possession of classified material. Can't believe he Walleye Aug 2022 #14
As someone pointed out in the thread.. if he had declassified such info Peacetrain Aug 2022 #21
Yes. That is an excellent point. I don't think Trump has claimed he declassified them Walleye Aug 2022 #26
Just as importantly.... getagrip_already Aug 2022 #20
Yes, Indeed. Every document I created while in the USAF MineralMan Aug 2022 #28
I take my cue from Cheryl Rofer gratuitous Aug 2022 #25
There is so much crap the Congress needs to fix... kentuck Aug 2022 #27
I think a president needs to have the power to declassify things as he/she likes. Claustrum Aug 2022 #29
Well, a former president certainly can't. brush Aug 2022 #30
Declassification doesn't mean he then owns the documents. Cracklin Charlie Aug 2022 #33
Yes... but.... Happy Hoosier Aug 2022 #36
He didn't declassify them because they had more value as classified Merlot Aug 2022 #37
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