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Whoa_Nelly

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268. Same here, nnn

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 06:28 PM

Nov 2012

Nothing like blaming the victims, especially when there is so much great advice after the fact and blaming those now in need, those who have lost their homes, their families. Does it even occur to anyone that getting the entire population of Staten Island probably couldn't happen for some who live there, even knowing they were in the path of Sandy? And, having it to take so long to get to the island after the storm because of all the problems with communication, marshaling the tremendous resource needed to work through to reach all affected, not just Staten Island?

Easy to blame the victims when you are someone posting here in the disparaging vein of one who knows what should have been done, and obviously has never made a mistake in your life, thus giving you the right to demonize people caught in a tragic situation, no matter what you choose to assume about their lives, and make statements of impeccable wisdom like some comic book hero soothsayer.

Shame on you.

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Really Staten Island????? [View all] sunnystarr Nov 2012 OP

Your concern is heartwarming. pintobean Nov 2012 #1

and their lack of planning and preparation is dumbfounding pasto76 Nov 2012 #54

I was in brooklyn Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #66

+1 whathehell Nov 2012 #75

I haven't heard much about Greenpoint, to be honest Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #112

Thanks for responding, Dorian. Squinch, above, says he/she has a relative in Greenpoint & they are whathehell Nov 2012 #195

Have you tried asking the Red Cross? lunatica Nov 2012 #137

No, I didn't think of it, but thanks for that information. n/t whathehell Nov 2012 #194

My nephew is in Greenpoint. He says they did fine. Squinch Nov 2012 #170

Thanks for that info, Squinch. n/t whathehell Nov 2012 #192

I'm sorry for your loss, but "having a life" is no excuse... eqfan592 Nov 2012 #76

Okay Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #113

Do I blame them for not taking responsibility for their own lives and the lives of their families? eqfan592 Nov 2012 #121

Where are you getting that they had no food or preparations for storms? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #153

So you're saying that it is impossible to secure food stuffs... eqfan592 Nov 2012 #165

Is that a serious question, really? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #172

And the response is ............ GoneOffShore Nov 2012 #184

The response is I work second shift and posting from my phone is a pain. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #187

Awaited with baited breath. GoneOffShore Nov 2012 #196

Food stuffs can easily be stored in a manner as to prevent damage from flood waters. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #200

Yep Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #224

Wow, did you just completely skip my response to all that? (nt) eqfan592 Nov 2012 #229

Nope Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #233

My response to that mindset (that now is not the time). eqfan592 Nov 2012 #238

Which is why you evacuate. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #291

It is impossible to plan. Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2012 #289

As a resident of an area that experiences its fair share of them, I can tell you that you are wrong. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #292

Your lack of compassion is as well. Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2012 #296

Why on earth do people keep assuming that because I am talking about disaster planning... eqfan592 Nov 2012 #298

because you never express any compassion, only judgment CreekDog Nov 2012 #315

Nope, never expressed compassion at all, except for when I did of course. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #321

You can't control.... RichGirl Nov 2012 #141

True. I live in Dallas, TX, but I have emergency supplies, enuf to last a while. Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #208

I'm in Maine and I was prepared magical thyme Nov 2012 #261

that "Bind Them" .gif in your sigline... CitizenLeft Nov 2012 #212

lol, glad you like it! :D (nt) eqfan592 Nov 2012 #230

I am very sorry for your loss Justice Nov 2012 #86

Thank you Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #218

I was about to lose a loved one this week also, I feel for your lost but we would've sent ONE uponit7771 Nov 2012 #93

Good for you Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #219

That would be a rare situation treestar Nov 2012 #134

I'm sorry for your loss. But given the situation, the wake should have been cut short. progressivebydesign Nov 2012 #157

The wake was Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #221

I imagine we are under no ethical constraints to feel one way or another LanternWaste Nov 2012 #74

I love your final paragraph Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #225

BRAVO! Lady Freedom Returns Nov 2012 #295

Seriously Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #63

Those people were asked to evacuate and/or prepare. They chose to do neither. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #92

Evacuate I agree 100% but if your house is destroyed preparing doesn't help much with supplies former-republican Nov 2012 #97

Not if you keep your supplies with you. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #103

I bet I'm prepared more than most on this board former-republican Nov 2012 #111

I understand what your saying, and while in that circumstance shelter may be hard to come by... eqfan592 Nov 2012 #123

Do you suggest they carry 5 gallons of water and 3 days worth of food and supplies on their backs, boston bean Nov 2012 #276

I've done this myself, so I see no reasons why somebody with the means to do so wouldn't. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #287

You don't wait until the water is neck deep to evacuate. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #293

many people don't have cars, is the point! nt boston bean Nov 2012 #306

Which is why FREE transportation was available. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #310

Most in peril now were not mandated to evacuate. nt boston bean Nov 2012 #309

Link? Because I think you're pulling it out of you-know-where. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #313

which is why you evacuate and take your emergency stuff with you SoCalDem Nov 2012 #105

I think you are wrong oberliner Nov 2012 #118

It's okay for you to not agree with me n/t SoCalDem Nov 2012 #119

Do you know anyone who lives in Staten Island? oberliner Nov 2012 #124

I'm curious where you are getting yours from? What makes you think people on Staten Island cui bono Nov 2012 #150

the majority of homes on Staten Island on the beach, are worth millions... progressivebydesign Nov 2012 #158

WHAT? Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #226

Sorry, but that just isn't true. (nt) eqfan592 Nov 2012 #231

Are you serious? sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #281

You have reminded me of something I take for granted. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #178

In his mind, he's defending Obama from the mean Staten Islanders. Skip Intro Nov 2012 #235

But I have to agree. We were told a week of food and water, and I live just north of the city. Squinch Nov 2012 #2

there are a couple of big housing projects in rockaway. not everyone who lives near the seaside HiPointDem Nov 2012 #7

I think Rockaway is in Queens. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #13

what's the significance of it being in queens? i was just saying that living in a seaside community HiPointDem Nov 2012 #70

Why do they elect republican US Congress people? Seems counter-intuitive. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #95

Not just a republican... A teabagger. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #164

what does any of that have to do with my point: it's not only the wealthy who live in 'seaside HiPointDem Nov 2012 #182

But seriously, what more could the government have done for Staten Island? Squinch Nov 2012 #181

again, what does that have to do with my point: it's not just rich people living in 'seaside HiPointDem Nov 2012 #183

Hardly anyone who lives there is wealthy. KamaAina Nov 2012 #317

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Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #73

WTF? Marrah_G Nov 2012 #79

End of the month ... Myrina Nov 2012 #101

Which is why there was free transportation to free shelters. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #297

Not everyone has a cottage in the Poconos they can evacuate to. baldguy Nov 2012 #3

True, but having a weeks worth of bottled water and canned goods is not too difficult to manage. peacebird Nov 2012 #5

A week's worth of bottled water and food is an insurmountable barrier bread_and_roses Nov 2012 #45

That doesn't help when your whole house is blown away BlueStreak Nov 2012 #87

No, seriously. There were a bunch of shelters set up inland on the island. Squinch Nov 2012 #174

Why do poor people elect republican US Congress people? nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #98

Posters are attempting to spin that SI = 9th ward. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #149

Just some facts. Staten Island: Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #241

Those numbers are lower than national average... HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #242

Because there is a strong correlation between intelligence and financial status BlueStreak Nov 2012 #176

You fill your bathtub. You buy cheap 2L soda DevonRex Nov 2012 #167

You know most of us are not taking of vulnerable populations nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #248

I agree that we are not rational actors. Squinch Nov 2012 #250

Mexico City nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #251

yeah, like they don't have the gas money, they don't have the money for a hotel boston bean Nov 2012 #277

There were shelters. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #18

really enough shelters on staten island to hold how many people? boston bean Nov 2012 #278

Seriously, you guys have to look at a map. Staten Island is a big place. Only the coastal areas Squinch Nov 2012 #283

Thats not how shelters work. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #290

Very simple response. boston bean Nov 2012 #307

Additional shelters were opened after the storm. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #312

That's why there are shelters. But thanks for your free market only POV. slampoet Nov 2012 #191

I'm More Concerned About The Gas Shortage... KharmaTrain Nov 2012 #4

The problem as I see it with the long gas lines justiceischeap Nov 2012 #8

Yes, I filled my tank early Sunday morning. A few cars were already there but not many. CTyankee Nov 2012 #55

The night before Sandy I could not get gas in Terryville. Jennicut Nov 2012 #96

I get my gas at Stop & Shop. I was there at 6:55 Sunday morning waiting for them to open at 7. CTyankee Nov 2012 #140

I live in the Keys where hurricanes are a way of life. tavernier Nov 2012 #57

it's the first thing I do when I hear snow is coming up here SemperEadem Nov 2012 #88

Same here. I was in an edge path of the storm. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #102

Maybe some of them need to commute to work brentspeak Nov 2012 #280

Staten Island got a lot of food and water trucks in to various locations yesterday evening Squinch Nov 2012 #11

Good To Hear... KharmaTrain Nov 2012 #17

I agree. That's going to be awful to see when the runners go through the devastated areas. Squinch Nov 2012 #41

Marathon has been cancelled by Mayor Bloomberg n/t LiberalElite Nov 2012 #228

Cali didn't write this OP Turborama Nov 2012 #80

Where is everybody driving to NOW, that they didn't gas up before Sandy? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #24

gas is on the way. the President relaxed some rules today, PLUS tankers are probably there by now.nt progressivebydesign Nov 2012 #160

yeah, they should starve & dehydrate because they're such fuck-ups. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #6

No one is saying that, but the fact that they got relief 2 days after the worst storm in the Squinch Nov 2012 #14

if the media coverage is wrong, no problem with criticizing that. i just think it's bad form to HiPointDem Nov 2012 #25

It works both ways, don't you think?... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #65

i'm not screaming at anyone. but some of the folks on this thread are. and i agree that it's HiPointDem Nov 2012 #67

I think there are important differences from Katrina. Squinch Nov 2012 #173

i agree the response from the feds is way better, without a doubt. but i never questioned that. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #180

Yes, I understand that is what you are saying. Please understand my point: there is no Squinch Nov 2012 #216

Absolutely marions ghost Nov 2012 #50

I never said they should starve & dehydrate sunnystarr Nov 2012 #15

Where do you live? George II Nov 2012 #68

Al Gore, and countless others have been trying for years. EarthGurl2012 Nov 2012 #114

What?! Bloomberg ordered the evacuation and the media made this thing out to be KurtNYC Nov 2012 #125

I live in Syracuse NY sunnystarr Nov 2012 #129

I lived in NYC (or near, visiting often) all my life....64 years... George II Nov 2012 #133

Let them go into the Mafia mansions out there and knock on their doors. secondwind Nov 2012 #9

I know those folks are feeling desperate, angry, and frustrated; however, they were advised to spicegal Nov 2012 #10

Yep. GoCubsGo Nov 2012 #20

They're playing right into the hands of the media... Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #12

But the media is NOW ignoring the relief that has gotten there, which is terrible Squinch Nov 2012 #22

they might be some hired teabaggers to moan before the cameras Whisp Nov 2012 #31

+1. And those who fall for it don't have a clue as to how much worse a privatized relief would be. freshwest Nov 2012 #100

I missed some of the MSNBCs weather forecaster? or producer say that the angle of incoming water .. nenagh Nov 2012 #16

The storm of the century and you're NOT going to evecuate??? Ford_Prefect Nov 2012 #21

(You can get there by driving, too.) WinkyDink Nov 2012 #23

Or you can just walk across the bridge to Bayonne. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #47

One could; I would forgo the experience: WinkyDink Nov 2012 #282

Starting to see the media "outrage" durablend Nov 2012 #26

Mayor Bloomberg rejected FEMA's Help.. that needs to be entered into the equation.. Cha Nov 2012 #236

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this post!! Ineeda Nov 2012 #27

Staten Island was the same place that the woman with toddlers out in the storm asked bluestate10 Nov 2012 #104

Staten Island has more registered Democrats than registered Republicans. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #299

If they call for assistance they should be removed from the Island..... oldbanjo Nov 2012 #28

People who wrote such things about New Oleans residents who didn't flee Katrina... slackmaster Nov 2012 #29

Link? Were the NO residents given evacuation notices three days ahead of time? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #35

Mayor Nagin issued a mandatory evacuation order on Sunday, 8/28 about 10:00 AM CDT slackmaster Nov 2012 #64

Nice talking point. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #144

+1000 ellisonz Nov 2012 #148

this thread is depressing and sad WooWooWoo Nov 2012 #30

I think there are two different conversations going on. Squinch Nov 2012 #36

Most of the population of Staten Island are RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #32

They need help Marrah_G Nov 2012 #38

Totally agree. Squinch Nov 2012 #43

Exactly Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #72

+1 nt BainsBane Nov 2012 #90

I never said that they don't need help. RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #106

+1 geardaddy Nov 2012 #109

Officials have many competing issues to deal with when a disaster of this magnitude strikes. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #110

touche! Carolina Nov 2012 #169

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2012 #213

I agree, but we've got to get them help. Barack_America Nov 2012 #56

Your hair is green. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #185

And wtf is that supposed to mean? RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #240

It makes as much sense as saying dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #244

It's not a non-fact, it's my observation from RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #247

Now you are presenting the specific iinformation that is helpful dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #262

Staten Island is a BIG island, most of which is not flooded adigal Nov 2012 #33

It's four days before an ELECTION durablend Nov 2012 #34

What does that mean? What does the election have to do with this? adigal Nov 2012 #115

LOL EarthGurl2012 Nov 2012 #116

Hind sight is 20/20 Marrah_G Nov 2012 #37

I don't think that they get it! The bigger the area, glowing Nov 2012 #39

I hate to say it...but 53tammy Nov 2012 #40

This. Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #53

Do you kick car crash victims? Do you take the blankets from flu sufferers? Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 #42

This OP and its many approving responses makes me sad Marrah_G Nov 2012 #46

Sadly, Marrah . . . . . we both know. Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 #58

Yeah Stinky........ it's just painful to watch. nt Marrah_G Nov 2012 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author eqfan592 Nov 2012 #117

God almighty. I agree. I can't believe some of the attitudes here. Butterbean Nov 2012 #130

You bring up a good point to explore... Lars39 Nov 2012 #211

Agree ckimmy57 Nov 2012 #44

7 years ago, republicans said the exact same thing as you're saying now... egduj Nov 2012 #48

Actually, 7 years ago the situation couldn't have been more different. Squinch Nov 2012 #246

And they had the means and the ability to leave Gman Nov 2012 #49

Yes, they were told and warned. Having never experienced a hurricane before Harry Monroe Nov 2012 #51

And guess who they'll blame - PrezO for not go there with Cuomo. VPStoltz Nov 2012 #52

My guess is the OP feels frustration. fugop Nov 2012 #59

"and need to take a ferry to get there." - amazing display of cluelessness. PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #60

Absolutely disgusting post! George II Nov 2012 #61

I was in Brooklyn Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #69

Dorian I am so sorry for your loss Marrah_G Nov 2012 #77

Thank you Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #108

Thank you Marrah.... Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #264

I am sorry for your loss nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #259

Thank you Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #263

It will be slow going at first nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #266

Yeah Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #272

Those people on Doomsday Preppers don't look so stupid now. Redford Nov 2012 #71

Never rely on the government to save you in case of a disaster former-republican Nov 2012 #84

Sounds like a nice right-wing talking point Hugabear Nov 2012 #147

Oh what a load of bullshit. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #151

It's something that a reasonably intelligent person should know by now. former-republican Nov 2012 #217

This is why THE GOVERNMENT recommends nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #249

Being prepared is a lifestyle, 53tammy Nov 2012 #78

Was it a mandatory or were they advised? former-republican Nov 2012 #81

I think it was mandatory for Zone A, the coastline oberliner Nov 2012 #120

Mandatory for the areas where most of the damage occurred. Squinch Nov 2012 #177

Replace New Orleans with Stanten Island, B2G Nov 2012 #82

So, okay, they didn't evacuate. So that means they must suffer, right? Javaman Nov 2012 #83

Reminds me of what was said about New Orleans. caseymoz Nov 2012 #85

Again, nobody is saying that they should be ignored. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #127

You think this attitude is not going to discourage help? caseymoz Nov 2012 #131

The same way I'm advocating for State Island? eqfan592 Nov 2012 #136

Most weren't in the evacuation zone BainsBane Nov 2012 #89

Actually, most of the damage and deaths DID occur in zone A. Squinch Nov 2012 #252

Do You Mean To Tell Me!!!!! Disconnect Nov 2012 #91

The lack of preparedness can have many causes... Horse with no Name Nov 2012 #94

Cold-hearted responses here for those sitting cozy at their computers dmr Nov 2012 #99

Cold hearted would be to say that we should abandon those people to their fates. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #126

I think the truth is many did not believe it would be that bad. Jennicut Nov 2012 #107

I think it was a great attention-getting move janet118 Nov 2012 #122

anyone along the east coast.. stillcool Nov 2012 #128

It seems a little too late to be placing BLAME!!!!! mstinamotorcity2 Nov 2012 #132

Maybe you could wait until we recover the floating bodies _ed_ Nov 2012 #135

I love it. Some of us were called assholes before the storm for saying folks needed to prepare... eqfan592 Nov 2012 #138

Sorry, we were called names for telling people nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #256

No one is saying these people shouldn't be helped; hedgehog Nov 2012 #139

Even if every last one of them is a Tea bagger BainsBane Nov 2012 #142

I feel bad for them, but there is no excuse for being unprepared IVoteDFL Nov 2012 #143

Some New York residents on the forum here told us repeatedly that there was no need to do any... eqfan592 Nov 2012 #146

Well, you're just so damn smart then _ed_ Nov 2012 #155

Thank you for being part of the problem. nt eqfan592 Nov 2012 #162

Is that you, Mitt Romney? _ed_ Nov 2012 #166

Please point to where I said anything even remotely close to that. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #188

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #203

Link please... Earth_First Nov 2012 #215

Check out this subthread. JVS Nov 2012 #223

Thanks for the assist. (nt) eqfan592 Nov 2012 #232

Thank you for the link... Earth_First Nov 2012 #234

Actually, I'd say that probably is the average train of thought for most people in general. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #243

From experience, this is the normal attitude nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #257

Go to Hell Ter Nov 2012 #145

Thank you. flvegan Nov 2012 #163

Well said. woo me with science Nov 2012 #198

Feel better now? ceile Nov 2012 #152

You make good points..my main political concern is... GranholmFan Nov 2012 #154

the first fatalities there were a family that didn't want to be burglarized.. progressivebydesign Nov 2012 #156

"Don't go on tv whining about other people not doing things for you." _ed_ Nov 2012 #159

Yet another comparison fail. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #190

Go fuck yourself _ed_ Nov 2012 #202

Thank you for proving my point. nt eqfan592 Nov 2012 #205

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What makes you think dead bodies are floating in the streets? Squinch Nov 2012 #253

Actually, as I heard it, the FIRST fatalities were two boys, aged 11 and 13, playing in an upstairs Squinch Nov 2012 #245

That is true. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #302

Don't misunderstand. I think those folks should have evacuated. I was making a different point. Squinch Nov 2012 #318

"My job is not to worry about those people. _ed_ Nov 2012 #161

Thanks for your concern. former9thward Nov 2012 #168

You need to take a Ferry to get to Staten Island? n/t hughee99 Nov 2012 #171

I guess it's easy to miss the 4th-longest suspension bridge in the world... PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #197

From Manhattan, yes. Renew Deal Nov 2012 #222

I don't think when discussing evacuation routes hughee99 Nov 2012 #237

Right Renew Deal Nov 2012 #239

No, you don't need the ferry. There are a lot of bridges. You can pretty much walk to New Jersey. Squinch Nov 2012 #286

I guess they don't get together as neighbors and pool their resources. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #175

But seriously, what more could the government have done? Squinch Nov 2012 #179

What if you live somewhere that was not in an evacuation zone? Glassunion Nov 2012 #186

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AMEN to that! _ed_ Nov 2012 #201

I have to agree and pray I NEVER need to look to the people here for compassion and understanding. auntAgonist Nov 2012 #269

You DON'T need a ferry to get there... markpkessinger Nov 2012 #193

They're on their way... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #199

Your compassion is overwhelming etherealtruth Nov 2012 #204

A disgusting OP, mirror image of FR during Katrina. JackRiddler Nov 2012 #207

^^^this^^^ indeed. Melinda Nov 2012 #255

They are still pulling bodies out of the water on SI. Fire Walk With Me Nov 2012 #209

Jesus, they will for a week or so nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #258

and you know so much about compassion !! auntAgonist Nov 2012 #270

My dear when was the last time you actually faced victims of disasters? nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #271

You know what? Doing all of that is admirable. Doesn't make you more compassionate though. The "my auntAgonist Nov 2012 #274

It might not be to your standards nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #275

My dear, when was the last time you went to space? RobertBlue Nov 2012 #304

That is good to know nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #305

Agree totally. I'm in the mid-atlantic and I got out - lynne Nov 2012 #210

How did you leave, by car? were you reliant on carrying three days of water and food boston bean Nov 2012 #279

My wife and I are prepared to go by foot if need be. eqfan592 Nov 2012 #288

You should yell louder at the TV that way those people who don't have power, died, left jp11 Nov 2012 #214

I refuse to dump on people when I've never been in their situation, who is anyone to say who isn't Raine Nov 2012 #220

A florida boy gives his two cents DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #227

True, NYers aren't used to hurricanes, their last was 14 months ago. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #303

100% agree Eddie Haskell Nov 2012 #254

Whining? Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #260

Did I misspell whining? Eddie Haskell Nov 2012 #267

I don't think anybody's whining Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #273

Staten Island is not a barrier island. Look at a map, for chrissakes. Chorophyll Nov 2012 #308

I didn't say it was. Eddie Haskell Nov 2012 #319

Which doesn't negate any of the points I made in my comment. Chorophyll Nov 2012 #320

No where. Eddie Haskell Nov 2012 #323

"Why should I subsidize your insurance just because you want an ocean view?" you say. Chorophyll Nov 2012 #324

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #265

Same here, nnn Whoa_Nelly Nov 2012 #268

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Nov 2012 #284

I agree. RobertBlue Nov 2012 #300

The OP and many of the responses on this thread are revolting. kwassa Nov 2012 #285

As someone told me earlier, tough shit. closeupready Nov 2012 #322

There are so many things wrong with this post, I don't know where to begin. vanbean Nov 2012 #294

Bad form. n/t cynatnite Nov 2012 #301

Oh my. lonestarnot Nov 2012 #311

Anyone who recommended this --would you prefer Staten Islanders die? That would keep them quiet. CreekDog Nov 2012 #314

Mandatory evacuation was only for Zone A KamaAina Nov 2012 #316