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In reply to the discussion: K&R if you like Obama! (This one is "mega-style"!) [View all]BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Oh wait.
None of those things are liberal and progressive then? Quick! Tell the Republicans! They think it is.
The PPACA is a powerful health care reform bill. I know, I know. Not everyone got their unicorn and pixie dust, but anyone who can claim this isn't a Liberal OR Progressive law with a straight face is either lying or they have zero clue what's in it.
Ending the war/pulling out troops in Iraq was not set in stone. The negotiations were about stability in Iraq against a growing influence from Iran, you know? The country that keeps saying they not building nuclear weapons when they are?
"When the 2008 agreement requiring all U.S. forces leave Iraq was passed, many U.S. officials assumed it would inevitably be renegotiated so that American forces could stay longer.
The U.S. said repeatedly last year it would entertain an offer from the Iraqis to have a small force stay behind, and the Iraqis said they would like American military help. But as the year wore on and the number of American troops that Washington was suggesting could stay behind dropped, it became increasingly clear that a U.S. troop presence was not a sure thing.
The issue of legal protection for the Americans was the deal-breaker.
Iraqis are still angry over incidents such as the Abu Ghraib prison scandal or Haditha, when U.S. troops killed Iraqi civilians in Anbar province, and want American troops subject to Iraqi law.
American commanders don't want to risk having their forces end up in an Iraqi courtroom if they're forced to defend themselves in a still-hostile environment.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/15/iraq-withdrawal-us-troops_n_1012661.html
I.O.W. yes, Bush signed the tentative withdrawal into law (you wouldn't know it if you listened to Krauthammer, George Will, and other rightwing journalists, including pres. candidate Willard), but it was still left up to the current President to make it happen. He promised we'd withdraw out of Iraq - and this is the key word - responsibly. If you believe had Bush or McCain been president today there'd be any withdrawal out of Iraq, you're dead wrong. Just listen to the rightwing/neo con talking heads and you'd get an idea.
The devil really is in the details. Thanks to lefties running to support Nader in 2000 and making it oh so easy for Bush and his monied friends to steal the election, we found our country in a war that really effed up the M.E., but it's funny that those same Leftists are now giving Bush credit for the withdrawal while excoriating Obama. Twisted logic, but in line with TeaBagger beliefs.
But you go on ahead and believe Obama is the bogeyman. There's no changing a set mind anyway.