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108. John Wesley Powell

Wed Aug 17, 2022, 07:26 AM

Aug 2022

He was a geologist, civil engineer, topographer, explorer and Civil War veteran (lost his arm Battle of Shiloh). In 1883 he determined that the Colorado Basin was a insufficient source of water for the SW, populations could not thrive.

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How soon before they start pumping and transferring water from the Great Lakes to the West?? [View all] a kennedy Aug 2022 OP

im in wash state we have plenty of water tyvm :) samnsara Aug 2022 #1

When hell freezes over Progressive dog Aug 2022 #2

This geardaddy Aug 2022 #121

Never VGNonly Aug 2022 #3

Wonder if folks would support a water pipeline?? a kennedy Aug 2022 #4

It might come to that with the accelerating climate change... brush Aug 2022 #7

If they can sell us oil by the barrel, multigraincracker Aug 2022 #37

It would be blown up or shot full of holes NickB79 Aug 2022 #10

Nah, people on the left are pro-environment. If the... brush Aug 2022 #42

Draining the Great Lakes to irrigate the desert is a pro-environmental position?!?! NickB79 Aug 2022 #63

Who said anything about draining the lakes? brush Aug 2022 #76

This may last forever The Revolution Aug 2022 #98

Well you know, accidents happen. Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #57

Michigan separatists. roamer65 Aug 2022 #149

It would have to be a huge pipe ornotna Aug 2022 #15

Crude oil is piped and is a least as heavy as water. brush Aug 2022 #45

Oil weighs 6.84 pounds per gallon, VGNonly Aug 2022 #72

Engineers know how to work with that. brush Aug 2022 #75

Engineers can change the density VGNonly Aug 2022 #92

Kind of a silly question. Engineers are problem solvers. brush Aug 2022 #97

And lets not forget another difference between water and oil... Lancero Aug 2022 #103

Leave it to the problem solvers. brush Aug 2022 #116

Again, oil is 6.84 VGNonly Aug 2022 #105

I agree with that, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #114

You put a problem before us MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #112

:-) USALiberal Aug 2022 #115

Move to where the water is. paleotn Aug 2022 #16

Absolutely not. When are factories were shut down becaues of globalism who helped us? Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #56

Nope - not me JustAnotherGen Aug 2022 #155

Never. n/t demmiblue Aug 2022 #5

They won't. There's a law called the Great Lakes Compact that prohibits the removal Ocelot II Aug 2022 #6

I am sure there must be some agreement between US and Canada as well. Bev54 Aug 2022 #22

That's part of it. Ocelot II Aug 2022 #23

Thank the gods for this law. PortTack Aug 2022 #50

Thanks Bev54 Aug 2022 #64

An agreement with Canada... they struggle to allow water 10 miles from the lake Model35mech Aug 2022 #24

Lake Michigan is entirely in the US, the only great lake that is. brush Aug 2022 #48

Lake Michigan and Huron VGNonly Aug 2022 #88

So what??? The Compact includes it. US REPRESENTATIVES AGREED Model35mech Aug 2022 #136

Over the Tetons, Sandias, and Rockies just to get to haele Aug 2022 #8

I was thinking desalination plants also, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #11

California rejected a desalinization plant over environmental concerns earlier this year ripcord Aug 2022 #47

San Diego invested in one in Carlsbad. nt. Mosby Aug 2022 #74

That has merit. brush Aug 2022 #53

It could be done with a combination of all 3, MarineCombatEngineer Aug 2022 #86

Thanks. I thought go. Desalinization is best idea though.. brush Aug 2022 #87

With serious political will, I'd bet it could be done in a single dozen years. Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2022 #14

No, it won't ever happen. You don't understand the midwest. Protest forget about it...we are Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #59

Wow inthewind21 Aug 2022 #120

Around 200 grams of Li per million kg of water... WarGamer Aug 2022 #28

Some kid made an electric motor that uses copper not rare earth minerals applegrove Aug 2022 #44

I saw that post... cool stuff! WarGamer Aug 2022 #79

Oh. I assumed. My bad. applegrove Aug 2022 #81

really cool story though... WarGamer Aug 2022 #83

They'll save us. applegrove Aug 2022 #84

Why? The water would be too expensive for anyone in the West to use NickB79 Aug 2022 #9

So go below the Rockies into the middle of AZ and Southern NV? Hugh_Lebowski Aug 2022 #18

Really giant blimps...something out of Jules Verne....? wcmagumba Aug 2022 #12

Never. paleotn Aug 2022 #13

We could give them a discount on multigraincracker Aug 2022 #43

I'm sure someone there is scheming, but IT'S OURS, lol. What about desalination? catbyte Aug 2022 #17

Right now I'd just like to get the water back to flowing to my house. llmart Aug 2022 #40

Damn, heard that, so sorry for you. a kennedy Aug 2022 #52

That sucks! Hope the water is fixed. Atlanta has the worst water ever and when I lived in the Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #58

It's conditional on other events sarisataka Aug 2022 #19

Exactly... Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #60

Lol. BlackSkimmer Aug 2022 #20

So, we're supposed to, at great expense, and logistics Bettie Aug 2022 #21

Why should we? They would bleed us dry and then what? Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #62

My point exactly Bettie Aug 2022 #71

California would have PLENTY of water if they regulate big AG. WarGamer Aug 2022 #25

All the states with drought should Tree Lady Aug 2022 #33

California almond farmers use massive amounts of water. WarGamer Aug 2022 #82

Cattle ranchers thank you for your support. Lancero Aug 2022 #89

Hell that's not drastic, it's a start. Slap a painfully exorbitant tax Maru Kitteh Aug 2022 #94

None of this can happen because of the Great Lakes Compact. Ocelot II Aug 2022 #26

It would probably be easier The Unmitigated Gall Aug 2022 #27

Electricity that is used to power things can't go that far. former9thward Aug 2022 #32

"High-Voltage Direct Current" power lines can easily extend from WA to CA. sir pball Aug 2022 #106

Good article from American Scientific Mr.Bill Aug 2022 #29

They are not "eyeballing" the water. former9thward Aug 2022 #30

Seriously??? This topic is "trying to start another state bashing post" a kennedy Aug 2022 #36

500 million gallons a year by rail from Minnesota, seriously proposed in 2019 NickB79 Aug 2022 #67

The post says it was a local Minnesota company that made the proposal. former9thward Aug 2022 #68

No one floats an idea this big without prospective clients already spoken to NickB79 Aug 2022 #131

So that is your proof AZ wants Midwest water. former9thward Aug 2022 #135

The company already does water delivery via WaterTrain in the Southwest NickB79 Aug 2022 #137

The aquifer for the Colorado River is in Grand Lake, CO. gldstwmn Aug 2022 #31

Never...it can't be done. Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #34

It absolutely can be done... A HERETIC I AM Aug 2022 #41

Look it up it can not...we have a compact and no way it happens. Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #55

Declarations, compacts, decrees, agreements, treaties..... A HERETIC I AM Aug 2022 #66

No, we prevent that and will...I guess they should have figured out a way to fix their issue. Demsrule86 Aug 2022 #73

Thanks for proving my point. A HERETIC I AM Aug 2022 #77

Seriously? It's one country. If the west is dying of thirst... brush Aug 2022 #95

Move out of the desert. After all, we're one country, aren't we? n/t/sarcasm Hellbound Hellhound Aug 2022 #100

Well that's a mature answer. Droughts don't last forever. brush Aug 2022 #101

This isn't a drought. It's not even a megadrought anymore NickB79 Aug 2022 #132

See post 69 brush Aug 2022 #133

See post 69, genius. brush Aug 2022 #140

Post 69 is one dipshit who has no idea about what economic and environmental impact may entail. Hellbound Hellhound Aug 2022 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author brush Aug 2022 #144

Indeed inthewind21 Aug 2022 #123

So, destroying the economies of Great Lake states is okay, as lo long as Pathwalker Aug 2022 #139

Taking large amounts of water from the Great Lakes Bettie Aug 2022 #85

The problems ForgedCrank Aug 2022 #130

Canada might have a few things to say about that. And I'd be on their side, too. marble falls Aug 2022 #35

arizona is the #10 cotton growing state moonshinegnomie Aug 2022 #38

Rice is grown where the water is, not in the California desert. hunter Aug 2022 #93

the top rice growing part of calilfornia is the sacramento valley moonshinegnomie Aug 2022 #118

? hunter Aug 2022 #119

Any evidence that the two states are eyeballing Great Lakes water? Kaleva Aug 2022 #39

Nope. a kennedy Aug 2022 #46

This proposal was floated a few years ago. Rain cars of water from Minnesota to Arizona NickB79 Aug 2022 #65

I was on Lake Shire Drive last week and there were two shifty lookin' fellas in a Grand Marquis ... Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2022 #80

Desalinating water is less trouble and costs less. hunter Aug 2022 #49

There's been talk of that since the late 80's (at least). Greybnk48 Aug 2022 #51

Really?? Wow, didn't know that. a kennedy Aug 2022 #54

Absolutely never LiberalFighter Aug 2022 #61

See post 67. brush Aug 2022 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author USALiberal Aug 2022 #113

Sorry, it's post 69. brush Aug 2022 #129

MI has been getting above average rainfall for many years, Lake MI levels were too high not long yaesu Aug 2022 #69

Lake Tahoe is closer. Emile Aug 2022 #70

and Crater Lake in Oregon. Emile Aug 2022 #102

Lake Tahoe VGNonly Aug 2022 #107

Seeing how I live in a Great Lake state, I prefer Emile Aug 2022 #117

I also live in the Great Lakes basin, VGNonly Aug 2022 #127

Won't happen. There are better alternatives. Xolodno Aug 2022 #90

Never, for both practical and legal reasons kcr Aug 2022 #91

never... myohmy2 Aug 2022 #96

How inthewind21 Aug 2022 #124

What is very Republican is sarisataka Aug 2022 #128

Fuck that and fuck the West. Hellbound Hellhound Aug 2022 #99

People need to move out of the West. Brenda Aug 2022 #104

So inthewind21 Aug 2022 #125

You still think we have a choice? NickB79 Aug 2022 #134

John Wesley Powell VGNonly Aug 2022 #108

Interesting Brenda Aug 2022 #109

Powell proposed VGNonly Aug 2022 #110

Powell was wise. Brenda Aug 2022 #111

You do realize that the Great Lakes geardaddy Aug 2022 #122

No, people who push this DO NOT KNOW there is an international body Model35mech Aug 2022 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author roamer65 Aug 2022 #148

Never gonna happen. bif Aug 2022 #126

Why don't Colorado and Arizona just withhold their water obligations to California? NickB79 Aug 2022 #138

Most likely it will be the Columbia river Sam_Fields Aug 2022 #142

Hopefully never. Impacts more complex than water through a pipe. PufPuf23 Aug 2022 #145

Israeli pumping project. moondust Aug 2022 #146

Israel is small, less than 8,500 square miles, and next to an ocean. hunter Aug 2022 #153

Israel's pipe moves 120 million cubic meters a year sarisataka Aug 2022 #156

Oh...Hell NAH! alphafemale Aug 2022 #147

Why not build plants to desalination ocean water somewhere on the coast of California and pump it karynnj Aug 2022 #150

China is attempting something similiar with devastating environmental consequences Kaleva Aug 2022 #151

I would think you'd need a canal the size of a large river Kaleva Aug 2022 #152

They share a border with JustAnotherGen Aug 2022 #154