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Tommymac

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34. Read Robert Pirsig's works (MOQ) to get one explanation. Biological Quality has been unleashed again

Wed Aug 17, 2022, 11:36 AM

Aug 2022

The last few centuries have seen the rise of Intellectual Quality, and the resultant weakening of Sociological Quality which had kept the more primative Biological forces under control.

Basically per Pirsig's 'Metaphysics of Quality (MOQ), the advancing levels of human evolution are Biological, Societal, and Intellectual, in that order.

Brute force and despotism are markers of the biologic stage of Human development.

Pirsig's 'Zen & the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' and 'Lila' are the foundations of his metaphysics.

Long article:
https://philosophynow.org/issues/122/Robert_Pirsig_and_His_Metaphysics_of_Quality

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Bingo! geardaddy Aug 2022 #23

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Read Robert Pirsig's works (MOQ) to get one explanation. Biological Quality has been unleashed again Tommymac Aug 2022 #34

Thank you Tommy! Irish_Dem Aug 2022 #46

The answer to his question is YES. LastDemocratInSC Aug 2022 #4

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thx uponit7771 Aug 2022 #13

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