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joshcryer

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Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:21 PM Nov 2012

For many people Obama is not a "lesser evil." For the privileged, he can be. [View all]

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It's easy for privileged people to look at Obama and say, "I have no reason to vote for Obama." I am a white straight male. I don't have to worry about racial discrimination, I don't have to worry about heating assistance or food assistance, I don't have to worry about gay rights because not having them doesn't affect me personally. For me, it matters little if I vote for a third party progressive, a Democrat, or hell, even (horrifically), a Republican. I'm going to be fine regardless. I might even do better under a Republican in the short term (ignoring the long term social disorder and infrastructure degradation that a Republican would facilitate; as we saw with the Bush years).

But for people who do rely on social safety nets, they do see a difference. You ask any impoverished person getting, say, WIC, and they'll very likely tell you, if they're informed on Republican policies, that Republicans might take it from them. Meanwhile Obama opposed it.

Think about it. As a straight white male, with no kids I should add, there's really nothing in it for me in the short term to vote for anyone progressive. Hell, from an idiotic Randian point of view I either should vote for the Republican or not vote at all. That's too simplistic, though, from a moral and ethical (and non-idiot Randian) standpoint.

If you're a single mom depending on SCHIP to get your kid regular dental visits and to assure that they are in good health, you're reliant on a government program that if you're informed you know that Republicans are against. Ted Kennedy got SCHIP passed with an unholy alliance with Orrin Hatch. It was imperfect. It profited insurance companies. It left a lot of kids uncovered. It costed the federal government billions. But at the time, 1997, it was a start. As a privileged white male with no kids, I couldn't care less, I could bloviate on and on how it was a bureaucratic waste of money, and wasn't covering everyone. I could've pointed to Canada and complained and moaned and whined about how we should adopt their system. I probably did. (Can't remember, but knowing my youthful self it probably happened.) But, as a single mother that's a real reason to vote for the Democrat, because you don't want to lose that very needed safety net in your life, even if there's an off chance that the Democrat could cut it, it's not guaranteed. To them a vote for Obama or the Democrats is not a "lesser evil." It is a "necessary good."

And, of course, as history showed, the Democrats tried to reform SCHIP several times over the years, once they had back control over the Congress. Bush, proving that the Republicans don't give a shit about people, vetoed them twice. It wasn't until 2009 that Obama was able to expand SCHIP to cover more children who weren't covered before. That same single mother who in 1997 was supporting Democrats probably supports them more now, as their child was able to be cared for in times of need, and has been able to get a leg up on life. That's her reason, and it's not because she's privileged, and such things don't actually matter to her. To her it's not a "lesser evil," it's a "necessary good."

It matters to me, too. I grew up poor. I know what being poor is like. I also know that as a white straight male I've had more opportunities to get out of it. Not a target of discrimination I've been able to slide through the class based cracks and get somewhere. Obama's expansion of SCHIP came with a cigarette tax. I probably even complained about it here too, when I was a smoker (haven't smoked in three weeks!). Growing up poor however I understand the necessity for these kinds of expansions. I'm not going to point fingers and place fault and say "that was the wrong way to go about it." Politically it was probably the only way to get it done. Good for Obama, I happily paid the extra $1 rate. Hell, I even read the little paper that was taped to the door on the stores around here noting the rate hike (they really did that, to inform customers that the rate hike was happening; perhaps it was so people could stock up though I don’t know).

Detractors will say that the health care expansion was a total failure, meant only to line the pockets of the insurance industry. They cynically call it "Health Insurance Reform." As a privileged white male it would be easy enough for me to adopt this position. "Single Payer now!" Screw the fact that the Medicaid drug rebate was increased immediately upon inaction, screw that preventative medicine is a hallmark of the program (one reason Cuba has such good health care at lower costs), screw that Native Americans had their health care coverage expanded.

Who cares that adults with existing conditions are covered. Screw the fact that lifetime dollar limits on new policies are banned, that dependants can remain on their parents' plans until they turn 26! I'm 36 years old, white, straight male, in great health, that shit doesn't matter to me! All those people with Medicare Part D coverage? They don't deserve the rebates that they get under the new health care provisions. If you get sick? Pfft, who cares if insurers can't drop you anymore, right? I mean, as a white straight male I fucking earned my place in life, and therefore, you should suck it up.

Medical Loss Ratio limits? Fuck that, if insurers want to charge whatever they want, they should be able to! Immunizations and vaccinations (for everyone) covered without co-payments or deductibles? Idiotic. I had to pay for my vaccines, why should people get a free ride? The insurance companies will simply offset it anyway, right? They're trying to force me to buy insurance even though I can use a Health Savings Account because I'm a white male with no conditions and am in great health. Damn them trying to fine me, those mud suckers. Hell, they're even covering contraceptives, for free! The outrage!

Now, I could go on but I am clearly already ranting far more than I should. The above paragraphs were of course tongue in cheek. A perspective from a privileged white male who is highly ignorant of health care reform as it exists and is prejudiced by immoral and unethical thinking. To those people who have utilized the benefits of health care and who appreciate what it has brought to their lives it is not a "lesser evil." It's a "necessary good."

In the end the reality is that Obama wants to expand the health care exchange so that states can have their own public exchanges. In other words, a state based public option. Vermont is forging ahead with this idea, and Oregon is also heading in that direction. As supporters of the mandate we always knew that this sort of public option was going to happen eventually. So those privileged narcissists who believe that health care reform is a dud because it piggy backs on the insurance industry will not have that to complain about in due course. Meanwhile millions of Americans will enjoy the benefits that health care brings. And that's definitely a reason why many of them will vote for Obama. To them Obama is not a "lesser evil," he's a "necessary good."

If you're an LGBT person you probably have a sore spot as far as Obama is concerned. He started off, even before being officially the President, granting Rick Warren a platform for his inauguration, a notoriously anti-gay bigot. Obama's DOJ continued to maintain anti-gay policies and indeed the military kept DADT in place. As a white straight male it didn't affect me much at all, except for my sympathies for my gay friends. Of course, when Obama finally did get DADT repealed the cynically privileged [link:|http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=184741amongst us] proclaimed in their ludicrous way that not only did Obama not do repeal it, but the Republicans, particularly the Log Cabin Republicans, were the ones who started it all! Never mind the fact that Republicans overwhelmingly voted against it. Never mind, more ludicrously, the Log Cabin Republicans endorsed Romney because Romney "will not waste his precious time in office with legislative attacks on LGBT Americans." (Really, they actually fucking said that in their endorsement. Really.) The repealing of DADT is surely a reason LGBT Americans would vote for Obama, is it not? The repealing of DADT is not a "lesser evil" (it should've been done via the courts!), it's a "necessary good."

The first thing Obama did for LGBT persons when he got into office was to extend benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees. He hosted the first White House LGBT pride reception in American history. He signed the Mathew Sheppard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act into law. He ended discrimination based on gender identity in the federal government. He lifted the ban that prohibited people with HIV/AIDS from entering the United States. He created a National Resource Center for LGBT Elders. He ensured hospital visitation and medical decision-making rights for gay and lesbian patients. He allowed trans Americans to receive true gender passports without surgery. He clarified the Family and Medical Leave Act ensuring family leave for LGBT employees. He ensured Government housing programs can no longer discriminate against the LGBT community. He declared the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional and announced the Administration will no longer defend it in court. He clarified the meaning of "family" to include LGBT relationships, helping to protect bi-national families threatened by deportation. Finally, President Obama is the first President to come out in favor of gay marriage equality and make it part of his platform. These are all reasons the LGBT community could have for voting for Obama. As a white straight male they affect me little. For the LGBT community these are not a "lesser evil" simply but a "necessary good."

Obama has been called the "Food Stamp President." Yet, the facts show that under Obama food stamp recipients went down. The facts show that eligibility went up because so many people were hit really hard by the recession. Helping them out is a bad thing for Republicans. That's a reason for anyone who ever got food stamps in their entire lives to vote for the Democrat. Full stop. That's a real, clear, reason. You don't eat, you starve. Starving is no fun. Having been poor I know this. Sadly, and yeah I was going somewhere with this, my brother and his wife are voting for Romney. For the better part of two years they got food stamps (and WIC as I mentioned previously the Republicans tried to gut). It's quite frustrating because for me it's as if they're nullifying my vote for Obama which exists to fight back against repressive Republican policies. (And I'm in Colorado, a fairly important swing state, so it really does hit hard, and you don't talk politics with family, it doesn't do much good.)

If you're poor, living paycheck to paycheck, or due to the lackluster recovery rely on food stamps you have a reason to vote for Obama (anyone can cast stones for why the recovery wasn't the greatest thing ever, the reality is that 46 million Americans are on food stamps). The Recovery Act allotted $26 billion to the SNAP program, allowing it to muster on through the hardships. SNAP kept 4 million people out of poverty, is not contributing to the overall fiscal state of the country, and is considered the most effective means to help the economy recover. Having been a child of a family that received food stamps it's an extremely important cushion necessary to keep the economy going and to keep people from falling into despotism. This is a reason why at least a good chunk of those non-hypocritical Americans have to vote for Obama. For them he's not a "lesser evil," but a "necessary good." For the privileged, however, it doesn't matter too much.

This is a simple sample of the reasons some people have for voting for Obama. They're legitimate reasons. They actually have an impact on their lives. These people are not privileged, they can't decide to vote over single issues, other mitigating factors come into play and they bite the bullet. They get chastised by the privileged left who have nothing to worry about. Now, not all of the privileged left feel this way. Some, like myself, do not want to see LGBT rights that have been incrementally gained go away, they don't want to see people who rely on WIC or food stamps or health care to be thrown under the bus. This would undoubtedly happen if Obama or even if the Democrats lost power.

When I was a kid my dad lost his social security disability thanks to fucking Regan doing some bullshit (they were auditing people on disability I believe and they just cut you off). We were eating, literally eating rice for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Charities were hit hard, there were few food banks we could go to. So I think about it and I think, fuck, that was fucking Regan, what would a Romney or a Ryan do? How could I possibly wish that on anyone? What sort of human would that make me? A really cruel and inhuman person if you ask me.

We, the moral, ethical, and caring progressive left are not as cynical as those who do not think there are reasons to vote for Obama, we are not so deluded, we are not so... to put it bluntly, uncaring asshole shitheaded maggot leeches on society. We understand that for society to function there needs to be a social safety net. We understand that to keep that social safety net in place we must fight back against Republicans (and Libertarians) who believe the almighty markets are going to save everyone. Even if on the fringes the Democrats compromise too much, even if the Democrats aren't the best fighters. We must fight.

If you do not think that there are reasons to vote for Obama, any reason at all, you are a privileged piece of shit and you don't fucking deserve the wall that the Democrats have put up to prevent the collapse that a Republican (or Libertarian) government would assure. I despise you. I deplore you. You are the epitome of what is wrong with this country. People who cannot understand political realities, and people realities, that they have to live through every fucking day. All because your pathetic single issue is more important to you than your fellow citizens. You are trash. Nothing. A vile human pile of excrement. I would hope that you get what you wanted, that is, to see the world burn so that your new paradise can form in its ashes, except I actually give a shit about my fellow human beings, particularly those whose future I might have a remote possibility of helping (through voting), so I don't lose sleep at night knowing that I did the right thing by voting for Obama.

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Joshcryer, thanks so much. What a great OP. Still crying. freshwest Nov 2012 #1
Hey, freshwest! :) Cha Nov 2012 #76
THANK YOU DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #2
No, thank you, DonCoquixote. joshcryer Nov 2012 #82
No problem DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #88
Excellent OP! Rec'ed. Kaleva Nov 2012 #3
FFS, you don't speak for me me b zola Nov 2012 #4
I'm sorry to hear that. joshcryer Nov 2012 #5
This administration's policies are similar to REAGAN'S? WHAT?!!! Zalatix Nov 2012 #53
You seem to be in the dark. I'm in that poor category, too and this Cha Nov 2012 #72
I voted for him, but still consider him the lesser of two evils liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #6
As did I and do I. joshcryer Nov 2012 #7
and I do consider the ACA health insurance reform liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #8
Yeah, but you don't throw out ACA and say that's "not a reason" to vote for him, do you? joshcryer Nov 2012 #9
I hate the individual mandate and I'm not willing to throw out the whole ACA to get rid of it Zalatix Nov 2012 #54
The ACA will not help me, and I'm not rich. amandabeech Nov 2012 #141
I feel sorry for anyone who thinks President Obama is "evil" Cha Nov 2012 #73
way off base here quinnox Nov 2012 #10
So you have no reason to vote for Obama? joshcryer Nov 2012 #11
Just saying, I think the tone of the OP is rather condescending quinnox Nov 2012 #12
That's a right wing perspective and not the intent. joshcryer Nov 2012 #14
lol, so you think my response proved your OP? quinnox Nov 2012 #18
I think that you voted for Obama, in part, for the reasons in the OP. joshcryer Nov 2012 #19
one thing maybe you should know, is that wealth does not necessarily = intelligence quinnox Nov 2012 #22
You are projecting. I never once said wealth = intelligence or poor = stupid. joshcryer Nov 2012 #23
ok, well that is how your OP comes across quinnox Nov 2012 #25
I think I am figuring out why everyone is so annoyed. joshcryer Nov 2012 #29
That's the way Obama supporters feel - we're being told we're stupid, not progressive. Ain't true freshwest Nov 2012 #94
Major Factual Errors in your post amborin Nov 2012 #64
Under ARRA Businesses got $51 billion and individuals got $237 billion. joshcryer Nov 2012 #65
new york times trumps wikipedia any day; eom amborin Nov 2012 #67
Post your link. joshcryer Nov 2012 #69
Well I'm glad you used your experience as a white straight male to once jp11 Nov 2012 #13
The majority of white males voted for McCain and they will do so for Romney. joshcryer Nov 2012 #16
McCain also got 53% of the white female vote. Kaleva Nov 2012 #20
Correct. He got more of the white male vote, though. joshcryer Nov 2012 #21
McCain got 59% of the white male vote; not that much different than 53% of the white female vote eom amborin Nov 2012 #66
Sure, but white females make 83% of white males. joshcryer Nov 2012 #70
What a bigoted pile of anti-working class garbage leftstreet Nov 2012 #15
No where did I say that they were stupid. joshcryer Nov 2012 #17
You're just too 'moral, ethical, and caring' to use the word leftstreet Nov 2012 #24
Provide more substance. joshcryer Nov 2012 #28
Why? You don't even know what you're talking about leftstreet Nov 2012 #52
Yet, you haven't rebutted anything I have said. joshcryer Nov 2012 #85
You're doing a fine job of that yourself leftstreet Nov 2012 #92
It's called math. Read the links I provided please. joshcryer Nov 2012 #110
I agree. Bonobo Nov 2012 #26
No where in my OP did I say that they did not hold other views. joshcryer Nov 2012 #27
Consider the Russian Revolution and the overthrow of the Czar Kaleva Nov 2012 #30
Thanks for that. joshcryer Nov 2012 #33
Life circumstances Kaleva Nov 2012 #43
I even pointed out in OP how Cuba's preventative health was adopted by the US. joshcryer Nov 2012 #48
True, but I don't see any contradiction between those facts and my opinion. Bonobo Nov 2012 #39
Where did I say that the non-privileged don't have political ideals? joshcryer Nov 2012 #41
True. Anyone, regardless of their situation, can have political ideas. Kaleva Nov 2012 #46
Someone alerted on your post the jury didn't agree HangOnKids Nov 2012 #32
I didn't alert on it. joshcryer Nov 2012 #34
... leftstreet Nov 2012 #35
Good jury. Bonobo Nov 2012 #37
I agree. joshcryer Nov 2012 #38
You did not state it outright. Bonobo Nov 2012 #40
No it is not. joshcryer Nov 2012 #42
It is like trying to explain the concept of water to a fish. Bonobo Nov 2012 #47
No, I think that you misread the intent of the OP due to your own preconceptions. joshcryer Nov 2012 #49
Jury #2 really wrote that?! What the fuck kind of jurors do they get on DU? Cha Nov 2012 #75
Woah, wait, what? I didn't get that message from the OP. Please explain. Zalatix Nov 2012 #56
+1 whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #91
I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with that. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #31
No where did I say that they cannot "understand the lesser of two evils" viewpoint. joshcryer Nov 2012 #36
Black Agenda Report... one_voice Nov 2012 #114
That's how limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #116
Yeah well when MSNBC... one_voice Nov 2012 #117
LOL that's a funny headline. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #123
Personal? one_voice Nov 2012 #124
Enjoy your spoon fed corporate talking points and oil industry propaganda. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #125
You ASSume to know where I get... one_voice Nov 2012 #126
If you're going to call something limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #127
Long condescending post is condescending Fumesucker Nov 2012 #44
Never did I imply that the poor were stupid. You are just jumping on the bash OP bandwagon. joshcryer Nov 2012 #45
Sure you did, the poor lack sophistication, the poor are governed by the harsh realities. Fumesucker Nov 2012 #51
I didn't say they lacked sophistication. The social safety net does not rely on ones sophistication. joshcryer Nov 2012 #55
Everybody gets shit on here on DU Fumesucker Nov 2012 #59
Fumesucker, woo me with science Nov 2012 #60
I have to join in, Fumesucker has created a thing of beauty here quinnox Nov 2012 #62
Few people have their words consistently twisted in such a diabolical way. joshcryer Nov 2012 #61
So you don't get the adulation you have become accustomed to elsewhere when you come to DU? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #63
Eh, you don't get adulation anywhere on the internet. joshcryer Nov 2012 #68
You wrote about a group of which you are not a part in a manner some members felt condescending Fumesucker Nov 2012 #71
But I was a part of it for well over half my life. joshcryer Nov 2012 #74
I've been told variously that the mandate is unenforceable and critical Fumesucker Nov 2012 #77
Who hasn't been dumped on at some point? Zalatix Nov 2012 #83
I will give you kudos for mentioning the poor. Autumn Nov 2012 #118
rofl quinnox Nov 2012 #50
Amen ecstatic Nov 2012 #57
There's a whole bunch of shit I JoeyT Nov 2012 #58
no matter how much you want to berate me hfojvt Nov 2012 #78
I only tried to give people the perspective of those who do not think Obama is a lesser evil. joshcryer Nov 2012 #79
oh, is that all hfojvt Nov 2012 #80
Indeed. joshcryer Nov 2012 #81
you might try just giving your own reasons hfojvt Nov 2012 #100
"for those who are aware" joshcryer Nov 2012 #105
DLC Still Sucks +10000000000000 UStillLose Nov 2012 #84
Thanks for posting this thread. Jamaal510 Nov 2012 #86
These facts have little relevance to the privileged. joshcryer Nov 2012 #87
A-FUCKING-MEN! Odin2005 Nov 2012 #89
You have to be privileged to think the Democrats are anything else than the lesser of two evils. redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #90
Arguing that Obama is the lesser of two evils is an elitist viewpoint. Kaleva Nov 2012 #95
The political system is set up such that there will be two parties, and two parties only. redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #97
+1 liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #103
I would have loved to vote for Jill Stein liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #104
Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment, WIC, food stamps and health care are not crumbs. joshcryer Nov 2012 #109
Right so, one candidate who will slash those programs, and one who might cut them a little, limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #119
I provided links in the OP about how the Democrats improved them! joshcryer Nov 2012 #122
Could somebody empty the trash? whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #93
One must take our their own trash. joshcryer Nov 2012 #107
Being the lesser of "two evils" and not having a reason to vote for Obama are not opposites. Ms. Toad Nov 2012 #96
Right on. I agree with your reasoning totally. redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #98
The lesser of two evils is a perfectly legitimate choice. joshcryer Nov 2012 #106
No secret I have been critical of Obama. Six months ago I was going to vote for a 3rd party. Autumn Nov 2012 #99
It's got to be incrediably tough for you & your husband to live on $15,160 a year! Kaleva Nov 2012 #121
I'm luckier than a lot of people. Our income is about Autumn Nov 2012 #133
Still, that has to be tough for two people to live on Kaleva Nov 2012 #134
Take it to the ratfucking bastids, josh!!!! This OP is awesome! nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #101
Yup, the non-privileged get to vote for the better of two bads TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #102
+1000 liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #108
Wow... yeah the wealthy have no reason to vote for Obama SomethingFishy Nov 2012 #111
I'm unaffiliated. joshcryer Nov 2012 #112
ROFLMFAO... SomethingFishy Nov 2012 #135
What the FUCK? Cowpunk Nov 2012 #113
I know you mean well, but sadly a lot of people who don't vote TBF Nov 2012 #115
What a great freakin' post... SidDithers Nov 2012 #120
I'll Just Repost This From The Madhound Thread WiffenPoof Nov 2012 #128
There seems to be a diffence between democrat and liberal or progressive these days liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #129
I Think You Bring Up An Excellent Point... WiffenPoof Nov 2012 #130
We may be watching a shift of sorts - TBF Nov 2012 #132
I disagree that it's a change/schism in Democrats across the nation, though. woo me with science Nov 2012 #136
+1 leftstreet Nov 2012 #137
Interesting perspective - TBF Nov 2012 #138
Technically with the ouster of the blue dogs the Democratic party is more leftward than before. joshcryer Nov 2012 #139
The Democrats and Republicans have always been a party of powerful interests. joshcryer Nov 2012 #140
I don't have time to read your whole post, but I think I agree very much with the gist of it, codjh9 Nov 2012 #131
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