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joshcryer

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55. I didn't say they lacked sophistication. The social safety net does not rely on ones sophistication.

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 02:40 AM

Nov 2012

I even pointed out that the increased number of people on SNAP were due to the recession!

I will concede, to my discredit, likely (you will use this concession against me), that the poor and downtrodden have different life circumstances, but I think that goes without saying. The US cultural ideal that everyone can be anything they want is a lie. People are fucked. A lot of people, poor and middle class alike. The social safety net is designed from keeping them from being more fucked. 4 million people kept out of poverty due to SNAP. That's not a fucking bad thing.

BTW, I am fucking rubber. I get shit on so much here on DU it's a joke. I am completely immune to the petulant responses. I love it when someone throws some substantial analysis at me.

edit: PPS most of the time I spent on that post was digging up sources, which I doubt very many read but they're all 100% legit.

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For many people Obama is not a "lesser evil." For the privileged, he can be. [View all] joshcryer Nov 2012 OP

Joshcryer, thanks so much. What a great OP. Still crying. freshwest Nov 2012 #1

Hey, freshwest! :) Cha Nov 2012 #76

THANK YOU DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #2

No, thank you, DonCoquixote. joshcryer Nov 2012 #82

No problem DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #88

Excellent OP! Rec'ed. Kaleva Nov 2012 #3

FFS, you don't speak for me me b zola Nov 2012 #4

I'm sorry to hear that. joshcryer Nov 2012 #5

This administration's policies are similar to REAGAN'S? WHAT?!!! Zalatix Nov 2012 #53

You seem to be in the dark. I'm in that poor category, too and this Cha Nov 2012 #72

I voted for him, but still consider him the lesser of two evils liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #6

As did I and do I. joshcryer Nov 2012 #7

and I do consider the ACA health insurance reform liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #8

Yeah, but you don't throw out ACA and say that's "not a reason" to vote for him, do you? joshcryer Nov 2012 #9

I hate the individual mandate and I'm not willing to throw out the whole ACA to get rid of it Zalatix Nov 2012 #54

The ACA will not help me, and I'm not rich. amandabeech Nov 2012 #141

I feel sorry for anyone who thinks President Obama is "evil" Cha Nov 2012 #73

way off base here quinnox Nov 2012 #10

So you have no reason to vote for Obama? joshcryer Nov 2012 #11

Just saying, I think the tone of the OP is rather condescending quinnox Nov 2012 #12

That's a right wing perspective and not the intent. joshcryer Nov 2012 #14

lol, so you think my response proved your OP? quinnox Nov 2012 #18

I think that you voted for Obama, in part, for the reasons in the OP. joshcryer Nov 2012 #19

one thing maybe you should know, is that wealth does not necessarily = intelligence quinnox Nov 2012 #22

You are projecting. I never once said wealth = intelligence or poor = stupid. joshcryer Nov 2012 #23

ok, well that is how your OP comes across quinnox Nov 2012 #25

I think I am figuring out why everyone is so annoyed. joshcryer Nov 2012 #29

That's the way Obama supporters feel - we're being told we're stupid, not progressive. Ain't true freshwest Nov 2012 #94

Major Factual Errors in your post amborin Nov 2012 #64

Under ARRA Businesses got $51 billion and individuals got $237 billion. joshcryer Nov 2012 #65

new york times trumps wikipedia any day; eom amborin Nov 2012 #67

Post your link. joshcryer Nov 2012 #69

Well I'm glad you used your experience as a white straight male to once jp11 Nov 2012 #13

The majority of white males voted for McCain and they will do so for Romney. joshcryer Nov 2012 #16

McCain also got 53% of the white female vote. Kaleva Nov 2012 #20

Correct. He got more of the white male vote, though. joshcryer Nov 2012 #21

McCain got 59% of the white male vote; not that much different than 53% of the white female vote eom amborin Nov 2012 #66

Sure, but white females make 83% of white males. joshcryer Nov 2012 #70

What a bigoted pile of anti-working class garbage leftstreet Nov 2012 #15

No where did I say that they were stupid. joshcryer Nov 2012 #17

You're just too 'moral, ethical, and caring' to use the word leftstreet Nov 2012 #24

Provide more substance. joshcryer Nov 2012 #28

Why? You don't even know what you're talking about leftstreet Nov 2012 #52

Yet, you haven't rebutted anything I have said. joshcryer Nov 2012 #85

You're doing a fine job of that yourself leftstreet Nov 2012 #92

It's called math. Read the links I provided please. joshcryer Nov 2012 #110

I agree. Bonobo Nov 2012 #26

No where in my OP did I say that they did not hold other views. joshcryer Nov 2012 #27

Consider the Russian Revolution and the overthrow of the Czar Kaleva Nov 2012 #30

Thanks for that. joshcryer Nov 2012 #33

Life circumstances Kaleva Nov 2012 #43

I even pointed out in OP how Cuba's preventative health was adopted by the US. joshcryer Nov 2012 #48

True, but I don't see any contradiction between those facts and my opinion. Bonobo Nov 2012 #39

Where did I say that the non-privileged don't have political ideals? joshcryer Nov 2012 #41

True. Anyone, regardless of their situation, can have political ideas. Kaleva Nov 2012 #46

Someone alerted on your post the jury didn't agree HangOnKids Nov 2012 #32

I didn't alert on it. joshcryer Nov 2012 #34

... leftstreet Nov 2012 #35

Good jury. Bonobo Nov 2012 #37

I agree. joshcryer Nov 2012 #38

You did not state it outright. Bonobo Nov 2012 #40

No it is not. joshcryer Nov 2012 #42

It is like trying to explain the concept of water to a fish. Bonobo Nov 2012 #47

No, I think that you misread the intent of the OP due to your own preconceptions. joshcryer Nov 2012 #49

Jury #2 really wrote that?! What the fuck kind of jurors do they get on DU? Cha Nov 2012 #75

Woah, wait, what? I didn't get that message from the OP. Please explain. Zalatix Nov 2012 #56

+1 whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #91

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with that. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #31

No where did I say that they cannot "understand the lesser of two evils" viewpoint. joshcryer Nov 2012 #36

Black Agenda Report... one_voice Nov 2012 #114

That's how limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #116

Yeah well when MSNBC... one_voice Nov 2012 #117

LOL that's a funny headline. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #123

Personal? one_voice Nov 2012 #124

Enjoy your spoon fed corporate talking points and oil industry propaganda. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #125

You ASSume to know where I get... one_voice Nov 2012 #126

If you're going to call something limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #127

Long condescending post is condescending Fumesucker Nov 2012 #44

Never did I imply that the poor were stupid. You are just jumping on the bash OP bandwagon. joshcryer Nov 2012 #45

Sure you did, the poor lack sophistication, the poor are governed by the harsh realities. Fumesucker Nov 2012 #51

I didn't say they lacked sophistication. The social safety net does not rely on ones sophistication. joshcryer Nov 2012 #55

Everybody gets shit on here on DU Fumesucker Nov 2012 #59

Fumesucker, woo me with science Nov 2012 #60

I have to join in, Fumesucker has created a thing of beauty here quinnox Nov 2012 #62

Few people have their words consistently twisted in such a diabolical way. joshcryer Nov 2012 #61

So you don't get the adulation you have become accustomed to elsewhere when you come to DU? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #63

Eh, you don't get adulation anywhere on the internet. joshcryer Nov 2012 #68

You wrote about a group of which you are not a part in a manner some members felt condescending Fumesucker Nov 2012 #71

But I was a part of it for well over half my life. joshcryer Nov 2012 #74

I've been told variously that the mandate is unenforceable and critical Fumesucker Nov 2012 #77

Who hasn't been dumped on at some point? Zalatix Nov 2012 #83

I will give you kudos for mentioning the poor. Autumn Nov 2012 #118

rofl quinnox Nov 2012 #50

Amen ecstatic Nov 2012 #57

There's a whole bunch of shit I JoeyT Nov 2012 #58

no matter how much you want to berate me hfojvt Nov 2012 #78

I only tried to give people the perspective of those who do not think Obama is a lesser evil. joshcryer Nov 2012 #79

oh, is that all hfojvt Nov 2012 #80

Indeed. joshcryer Nov 2012 #81

you might try just giving your own reasons hfojvt Nov 2012 #100

"for those who are aware" joshcryer Nov 2012 #105

DLC Still Sucks +10000000000000 UStillLose Nov 2012 #84

Thanks for posting this thread. Jamaal510 Nov 2012 #86

These facts have little relevance to the privileged. joshcryer Nov 2012 #87

A-FUCKING-MEN! Odin2005 Nov 2012 #89

You have to be privileged to think the Democrats are anything else than the lesser of two evils. redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #90

Arguing that Obama is the lesser of two evils is an elitist viewpoint. Kaleva Nov 2012 #95

The political system is set up such that there will be two parties, and two parties only. redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #97

+1 liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #103

I would have loved to vote for Jill Stein liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #104

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment, WIC, food stamps and health care are not crumbs. joshcryer Nov 2012 #109

Right so, one candidate who will slash those programs, and one who might cut them a little, limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #119

I provided links in the OP about how the Democrats improved them! joshcryer Nov 2012 #122

Could somebody empty the trash? whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #93

One must take our their own trash. joshcryer Nov 2012 #107

Being the lesser of "two evils" and not having a reason to vote for Obama are not opposites. Ms. Toad Nov 2012 #96

Right on. I agree with your reasoning totally. redgreenandblue Nov 2012 #98

The lesser of two evils is a perfectly legitimate choice. joshcryer Nov 2012 #106

No secret I have been critical of Obama. Six months ago I was going to vote for a 3rd party. Autumn Nov 2012 #99

It's got to be incrediably tough for you & your husband to live on $15,160 a year! Kaleva Nov 2012 #121

I'm luckier than a lot of people. Our income is about Autumn Nov 2012 #133

Still, that has to be tough for two people to live on Kaleva Nov 2012 #134

Take it to the ratfucking bastids, josh!!!! This OP is awesome! nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #101

Yup, the non-privileged get to vote for the better of two bads TheKentuckian Nov 2012 #102

+1000 liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #108

Wow... yeah the wealthy have no reason to vote for Obama SomethingFishy Nov 2012 #111

I'm unaffiliated. joshcryer Nov 2012 #112

ROFLMFAO... SomethingFishy Nov 2012 #135

What the FUCK? Cowpunk Nov 2012 #113

I know you mean well, but sadly a lot of people who don't vote TBF Nov 2012 #115

What a great freakin' post... SidDithers Nov 2012 #120

I'll Just Repost This From The Madhound Thread WiffenPoof Nov 2012 #128

There seems to be a diffence between democrat and liberal or progressive these days liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #129

I Think You Bring Up An Excellent Point... WiffenPoof Nov 2012 #130

We may be watching a shift of sorts - TBF Nov 2012 #132

I disagree that it's a change/schism in Democrats across the nation, though. woo me with science Nov 2012 #136

+1 leftstreet Nov 2012 #137

Interesting perspective - TBF Nov 2012 #138

Technically with the ouster of the blue dogs the Democratic party is more leftward than before. joshcryer Nov 2012 #139

The Democrats and Republicans have always been a party of powerful interests. joshcryer Nov 2012 #140

I don't have time to read your whole post, but I think I agree very much with the gist of it, codjh9 Nov 2012 #131