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Violet_Crumble

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156. Sorry, but it was true...

Sun Jan 15, 2012, 01:06 AM

Jan 2012

Here's what you said about the so-called '9/11 Mosque' at DU2 (emphasis is mine)

I would. I don't want a mosque built there.

I believe a multi-cultural, multi-faith (and no-faith at all) center devoted to peace would be a much greater contribution than another religious shrine. Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hindu, Buddhism, etc. etc. - all would be welcome to come and meditate, see photos, leave notes or memorials - whatever.

Having a single religion claim that place, a central, highly public place, near such a culturally significant area such as the World Trade Center calamity that had such global implications is dead wrong, imho. It's the absolute worst message to send on many levels.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4398757&mesg_id=4401412

If I were claiming to be equally opposed to things, no matter what religion did it, I'd make damn sure that I didn't just focus on one religion to the exclusion of all others. But then again, I don't confine my dislike of religious loonies to just one single example the way you have

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Man punches nurse for removing wife's burqa during c-section [View all] Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 OP

see, now that's weird limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #1

men like that need to change places. roguevalley Jan 2012 #39

We are fragile beings who try to compensate Dragonbreathp9d Jan 2012 #64

Backward freak! Odin2005 Jan 2012 #2

I am sooooooo sick of crazy people. nt valerief Jan 2012 #3

Me, too. And tired of people giving so-called excuses for them. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #185

Well then, he can view the next ten years of his wife and child's life.... through bars. hlthe2b Jan 2012 #4

not ten years, six months. Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 #6

well, he needs to be kept away from her forever nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #9

ten years was my sentence... Six months is hardly enough. hlthe2b Jan 2012 #12

10 years??!! France's burqa laws are so mild, this guy may get a fine only. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #11

He's being jailed for punching the nurse - not for wearing a burqa. Matariki Jan 2012 #26

You mean, not for FORCING HIS WIFE TO WEAR A BURQA! That only brings a fine. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #29

Yeah, no kidding. Matariki Jan 2012 #30

According to some DU'ers Muslim woman want to wear the burqa snooper2 Jan 2012 #47

That is a gross mischaracterization of what has been said Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #66

The burqa is a cultural artifact meant to oppress and diminish women. It's not religious. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #68

Actually.... dixiegrrrrl Jan 2012 #70

Nope, there is no requirement in the Quran for complete shrouding. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #71

The assumption being that all men are potential rapists with no self control whatsoever. aquart Jan 2012 #106

Religion and culture are not always clearly delineated Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #72

We can and do make laws on what women can wear in the public sphere. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #74

And there are are a number of laws that my religion conflicts with (or has) Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #76

You can try to rationalize it all you want but full female shrouding is not religious riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #86

Exactly -- just like FGM obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #96

It is not rationalization - it is a fundamental characteristic of religion Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #103

"Outsiders" can and do make judgements (and pass laws) on practices all the time riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #104

You are missing the starting point - Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #117

NO! You're missing the starting point which is that we've ALWAYS decided what religious practices riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #119

You have no idea how I feel about the dress of native people Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #132

Public nudity is prohibited by law. You are being purposefully obtuse. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #137

You might want to go back and reread and respond to what I actually wrote Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #146

We are centuries beyond women being able to assert their "rights" to go naked in public riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #152

The right of self determination for all people is a core value for me Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #178

I just fundamentally disagree with your premise about the "start" of the conversation riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #182

No it wasn't you - Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #189

Boy, are you wrong in this instance. In order to give proper medical care, Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #187

I have not commented on any of the things you suggest I have taken a position on Ms. Toad Jan 2012 #188

Orthodox Jews are also really bad about the practice of making women 2nd class citizens. YellowRubberDuckie Jan 2012 #83

Fine with me. nt riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #85

Then why haven't you ever focused on anything but Muslims? Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #151

That's 110% untrue, my post history supports that. I oppose ANY religious "shrines" near Ground 0. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #155

Sorry, but it was true... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #156

That's completely consistent with my position. I'm pretty anti-religious all around. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #158

The position being that the only religious loonies worth getting passionate about are Muslim ones? Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #159

Uhm, you made the accusation first and clearly saved (stalked?) my 1 answer from before riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #161

I didn't realise doing a quick google was stalking. There ya go! Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #164

Any society that does not have a First Amendment that is. former9thward Jan 2012 #102

We can and do put restrictions on it. FGM has been argued by Muslims to be a religious right riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #105

There are society interests which overrule religious concerns. former9thward Jan 2012 #115

We can and do make laws governing what people may wear in public. We can and do impose our "views" riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #116

Waiting for those who still think the burqa isn't some misogynistic garment to chime in.... riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #5

How about begging your husband to allow exam by doctor? Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 #7

HE threatened HER with divorce? Quantess Jan 2012 #8

Well "divorce" would probably be more like killing her. chrisa Jan 2012 #41

This poor woman has to LIVE with this guy? Awful. virgogal Jan 2012 #10

She has to take a new baby home to THAT. EFerrari Jan 2012 #15

This guy is nuts. DURHAM D Jan 2012 #13

+1 jberryhill Jan 2012 #24

That poor woman must have been in so much pain! Auntie Bush Jan 2012 #14

If she's in a burqa during labor and delivery, he doesn't love her. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #18

+1 Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #49

Not only that... YellowRubberDuckie Jan 2012 #84

That's not entirely true... ellisonz Jan 2012 #170

Foxnews...must be true n/t riverwalker Jan 2012 #16

Another source DesertRat Jan 2012 #19

Well, just because it's true, doesn't mean it's true. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #56

Here's a link to the French paper La Provence GoneOffShore Jan 2012 #69

I am not always a good person. The doctors should have removed this guy's claim to superiority. saras Jan 2012 #17

That guy is almost as bad as us guys in the US The Straight Story Jan 2012 #20

There's no doubt that there are nuts like him in the US too. nt Liquorice Jan 2012 #60

Wow. I'd send the guy to jail for about 10 years and then deport him. And kestrel91316 Jan 2012 #21

Go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass Go /nt jberryhill Jan 2012 #22

religion, the gift that keeps on ... taking lol nt msongs Jan 2012 #23

Precisely. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #45

And I bet he is one of those who insists his wife VOLUNTARILY wears a burqa. pnwmom Jan 2012 #25

Its all voluntary etherealtruth Jan 2012 #62

I can just imagine what happened to that woman sufrommich Jan 2012 #27

Why do you hate all men!? ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #28

So the guy says to the Genie, "I didn't wish for a 12 inch PIANIST!" Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #36

I love that joke! mainer Jan 2012 #94

My favorite bar joke involves surreptitiously ripping up a napkin into little pieces beforehand Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #112

That sounds like crazy cult behavior to me. The burqa itself Liquorice Jan 2012 #31

I'd like to know the specific difference between a "religion" and a "cult" Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #35

A religion is a cult people have decided to accept MattBaggins Jan 2012 #50

I think it's more like, "steal $100, you're a filthy criminal" Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #53

And gets large enough treestar Jan 2012 #54

I know what you mean. But I do think people can Liquorice Jan 2012 #58

religion has more members than a cult. piratefish08 Jan 2012 #82

Men like these have zero value to society Marrah_G Jan 2012 #32

Wait... Where are all the people lining up to say this sort of shit deserves "cultural tolerance"? Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #33

Yep, this week on DU Charlemagne Jan 2012 #61

When people have invisible friends who tell them to act out violently, we call it "mental illness" Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #37

They've actually done studies on that, you knpw obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #97

How did this person become a French citizen? Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #38

Because someone has to do the construction work in France. JVS Jan 2012 #40

That doesn't sound like France. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #43

He may well have been born in France to French parents KamaAina Jan 2012 #44

Came back from France in December - Friends there tell me that the younger GoneOffShore Jan 2012 #73

Did they have any ideas as to the cause? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #87

As French citizens they're puzzled - Despite being on opposite sides of the political fence GoneOffShore Jan 2012 #88

That is troubling. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #89

How about the decade of trumped-up pre-emptive war in the Middle East? nt dougolat Jan 2012 #171

By the French? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #179

no, by the West in general dougolat Jan 2012 #180

That seems a bit too general an enemy. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #181

There are all kinds of religious fanatics WI_DEM Jan 2012 #42

well that lady sure picked a winner... Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #46

What makes you think she had any choice in the matter? nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #51

Yup -- doubt she did obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #98

The Religion of Peace. downwardly_mobile Jan 2012 #48

His behavior and beliefs have nothing to do with Islam obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #100

And cue Faux Noise to use that one guy to condemn the entire religion treestar Jan 2012 #52

Who needs Fox when DUers will do the same job. Union Scribe Jan 2012 #59

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #63

Christian nutjob does something similar, I'll say the same thing. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #67

At least you qualified it with "fundamentalism" Union Scribe Jan 2012 #75

I think that having invisible friends in the sky who talk to you IS a form of mental illness. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #77

And calling continously calling a diety, "an invisible friend in the sky" Fawke Em Jan 2012 #90

Why? Is the deity supposed to be visible? No. Is the deity supposed to be a friend, of sorts? Yes. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #110

check the post above yours! dionysus Jan 2012 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #55

Sounds like he could use a strait jacket LiberalEsto Jan 2012 #57

Not newsworthy, but it's a chance to smear Muslims so it gets lots of media play CrawlingChaos Jan 2012 #78

Why it took so long for someone to point out this key point is beyond me... ellisonz Jan 2012 #79

What's astounding is that it took this long for someone to show up & try to apologize for this shit. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #81

Does it seem like they did a good job communicating with the Father? ellisonz Jan 2012 #101

There is a solution. Put this shithead in prison, he attacked a hospital employee. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #108

That's after the fact... ellisonz Jan 2012 #120

How could it have been avoided? By educating this fuckhead that a C-Section requires Burka removal. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #122

They don't have female OB/GYNs in France? ellisonz Jan 2012 #125

No, his issue was with both the male and FEMALE staff. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #128

I'm not ignoring you... ellisonz Jan 2012 #136

There are at least 4 other links to other sources upthread. Maybe you could read the thread? nt riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #138

I've read the thread. None of the other articles differ substantially and seem to echo eachother. nt ellisonz Jan 2012 #150

I'm an Atheist. My wife is Jewish. She had a baby at a Catholic Hospital. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #162

His wife labored for 2 days in that damn burqa!! The staff allowed it! riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #124

From the OP story... ellisonz Jan 2012 #130

You COMPLETELY glossed over this part riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #131

The story isn't clear... ellisonz Jan 2012 #134

It doesn't matter if male staff were in the room. His wife needed medical attention and he tried to riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #140

The part where I rush to judgment based on an incomplete account. ellisonz Jan 2012 #148

I agree. You've made yourself perfectly clear on this thread and I have nothing more to add.nt riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #154

Are you seriously advocating for sex segregated hospitals in France?? Really?! riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #91

I'm advocating for cultural sensitivity. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #99

He'd been banned from the room for calling the FEMALE midwife a "rapist" for doing an internal exam. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #107

Don't even bother. You're not properly checking your White Male privilege against Oppressed Peoplez™ Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #114

Yeah. Love that line. We've got people who think porn and cheesecake pancakes should be illegal Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #113

"Fucking insane." ellisonz Jan 2012 #121

Have you been here long? Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #123

2003. I don't make a point of reading porn and pancake threads. ellisonz Jan 2012 #127

Well, we'll always have Paris Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #167

Yes we will... ellisonz Jan 2012 #168

Puh-leeze. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #169

People need to remember who the real 'victim' is, here, i.e. the poor misunderstood guy who couldn't Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #109

as a Respiratory Therapist - I have attended hundreds and hundreds of C-sections in Saudi Arabia Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #80

thanks for the info. Glad women are free to give birth without a burqa Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 #133

This in *Saudi Arabia* of all places! n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #135

Yes, NOT France where you believe they should have gender segregated hospitals to accomodate Muslims riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #142

Segregated? ellisonz Jan 2012 #145

The woman in the OP was being seen by a FEMALE midwife, who was accused of being a RAPIST! riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #149

Excellent post! obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #175

I have never heard of anything like this in a total of 25 years in the Middle East Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #139

But you know, in FRANCE, the medical staff are being "culturally insensitive" to remove the burqa riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #141

my problem with this story is that it begins with the title "French Muslim Jailed" and then thestory Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #143

There are multiple other accounts of the story from other sources riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #144

there is no disputing that Bernie Madoff is a Jew but we don't report the story in a bigoted manner Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #147

Are you really asserting the guy's religion in the OP had nothing to do with his actions? nt riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #153

A question for you... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #157

I read the story first in a British paper. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #160

That's not what I asked you.... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #165

no more than a snake handler in the mountains of West Virginia has to do with Christianity Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #166

Oh, I completely agree with you. However, the guy in the story obviously does not. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #183

Foxnews? Think they would post an article like this if the guy was an insane christian? Fuzz Jan 2012 #92

There are at least 4 other links to other sources upthread. Maybe you could read the thread? nt riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #93

Okies. That's not what I said though. It's fine. Fuzz Jan 2012 #176

Yeah, but it was a 'peaceful' punch. Edweird Jan 2012 #95

there are mentally ill muslims, too. spanone Jan 2012 #111

Do you really think he's mentally ill? Or are you inferring he's religiously crazy? riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #126

uh oh, you dropped a turd of reason into the punch bowl of hate CrawlingChaos Jan 2012 #129

Upthread, people are arguing it's the hospital's fault for not being more 'culturally sensitive'. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #163

nonsensical statement CrawlingChaos Jan 2012 #172

Okay, which is THAT, then? Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #174

You have done both (n/t) CrawlingChaos Jan 2012 #190

at least I never beat the crap out of someone attempting to deliver my baby Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #191

Since you are passing judgement without having any context of the convo perhaps you can read riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #184

This thread is full of Muslim-bashing CrawlingChaos Jan 2012 #192

Oh FFS!! You admit you haven't read the thread or subthread and yet pass summary judgement??!! riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #195

That's not my argument. ellisonz Jan 2012 #173

I was at a newsstand, and a man I didn't know bought a copy of a magazine called "Juggs" Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #118

Could care less about the burqua law in FRANCE JustAnotherGen Jan 2012 #177

not enough people are calling bullshit Enrique Jan 2012 #186

+1 CrawlingChaos Jan 2012 #194

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #196

Religion raises its ugly head again! nt aaaaaa5a Jan 2012 #193