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KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
26. It's The SuperPacs Than Ran Amok...
Sun Nov 4, 2012, 02:57 PM
Nov 2012

I think President Obama came to the debate prepared for the "teabagging" Willard and "Moderate Mittens" showed up. The chutzpah Willard showed that night lying and flip flopping was astounding. What was even more astounding was how the horserace-crazy corporate media took style over substance and used it to fit a narrative that "Obama lost". I don't think it was "rope-a-dope"...I think President Obama was caught off guard with how blatant Willard's lies were. If you look at the substance Obama won going away, but it's the "gotcha" moments that the media was craving for. Inversely President Obama would adjust and his "Procede, Governor" line in the second debate is, in my book, the ultimate turning point in this campaign...and polls show that as well.

The big thing the Bishop had going for him was nearly $1 billion of outside spending...a lot of it flying around this weekend. He thought he could lie and with the ensuing media blitz he could bullshit his way like he did in his "corporate" life. He was a salesman closing a sale and saying whatever he had to to get it done. The media...seeing this as bloodsport and through their own filter saw all the big money flying around (how could they miss it...some of it ended in their bosses pockets) saw all the advertising and assumed that meant support. Look how eager stenographers like Chuckie Toad were to "expand the map"...it makes them more "relevant". It became a circle jerk between Willard's flailing campaign and corporate media...one that, mercifully, is winding down...

I'll look at a second term for President Obama after the votes are counted...while confident I am still very concerned about the voter suppression efforts going on and hope the OFA ground troops have delivered as we're led to believe...

Cheers...

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This dreamer agrees. Scuba Nov 2012 #1
No way, really? DonRedwood Nov 2012 #2
My cup is always full, and I just know in my heart of hearts that Obama's playing .... Scuba Nov 2012 #7
I like her all the better now! DonRedwood Nov 2012 #22
She's cute too (but taken). Scuba Nov 2012 #24
Thanks for the icon, I just stole it! freshwest Nov 2012 #45
Mine? yay! I made that this morning. I hope everyone uses it! DonRedwood Nov 2012 #48
Obama lost the first debate handily, and quite UNINTENTIONALLY cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #3
I was a debate champion in school, 53 college awards, national ranking, was a judge and have a Bach DonRedwood Nov 2012 #10
thank you barbtries Nov 2012 #12
and you can't debate lies -- it becomes "you are wrong" or "that isn't true" DonRedwood Nov 2012 #17
Sometimes the best response to blowhards and liars is to let the weight of their foolishness fill freshwest Nov 2012 #46
That's why they send Aggies as exchange students to Harvard. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2012 #56
LOL, I grew up hearing a lot of them. I wish I could remember some. I attended freshwest Nov 2012 #62
"Please proceed, Governor." DollarBillHines Nov 2012 #47
That really does sum it up, doesn't it?? DonRedwood Nov 2012 #51
I thought Obama won the first debate too. People at my house thought he won, jwhitesj Nov 2012 #73
my take exactly :0) DonRedwood Nov 2012 #74
+1 dchill Nov 2012 #19
There is only one measure of winning a political campaign debate cthulu2016 Nov 2012 #20
But if you look at the debates as Part One, Part Two and Part Three instead of as three indidvidual DonRedwood Nov 2012 #25
Gee You Post A Lot HangOnKids Nov 2012 #75
No--you must keep in mind what the PURPOSE of these debates is. tblue37 Nov 2012 #29
All true DonRedwood Nov 2012 #33
Please Don Vietnameravet Nov 2012 #41
He had those same skills in the first debate but he decided not to use them DonRedwood Nov 2012 #57
I am not going to argue with your education nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #42
I also thought Obama won for his presentation of facts alone, Romney crunch60 Nov 2012 #53
Yup... a used car salesman trying to sell you a 1974 Pinto. DonRedwood Nov 2012 #61
That's always YOUR opinion....and you're welcome to it.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #23
i thought you were talking to me for a second! DonRedwood Nov 2012 #31
debate rso Nov 2012 #27
Oh, I'm sure he wanted a slam dunk as much as the rest of us! DonRedwood Nov 2012 #35
Good point I like this part Vietnameravet Nov 2012 #52
Thanks, I see where you're coming from, I guess. freshwest Nov 2012 #58
The important thing is that we are all on the same team and that team WINS!! Vietnameravet Nov 2012 #59
Great post about the polling that showed Romney's big jump DonRedwood Nov 2012 #60
Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing this. Nika Nov 2012 #4
His "hanging back" has been going to 3 - 4 events a day BumRushDaShow Nov 2012 #5
+1,000. freshwest Nov 2012 #49
I agree. OneGrassRoot Nov 2012 #6
THanks Root! DonRedwood Nov 2012 #11
yep. PBO is very strategic underthematrix Nov 2012 #8
I do like the way you think Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #9
A Second Term Obama Unencumbered With Reelection and Empowered With An IMPROVED Dem House and Senate Skraxx Nov 2012 #13
and the repubs just made it all necessary: voting fraud, suppression, union busting, abortion rights DonRedwood Nov 2012 #36
We think alike. I said 4 years ago his first term would be to get a 2nd term to come out swinging. Gregorian Nov 2012 #14
This feels like the New Coke/Old Coke thing. CincyDem Nov 2012 #15
Very good comments! Welcome to DU!! How are things on the ground in your neck of the woods? DonRedwood Nov 2012 #37
Thanks for the welcome. CincyDem Nov 2012 #65
I haven't seen many signs here...except for ours. The Rightwingers across the street DonRedwood Nov 2012 #69
I agree that he factually won the first debate and also ... jimlup Nov 2012 #16
I think he held back too much... but when he saw Romney lying to the American Public DonRedwood Nov 2012 #38
The 'shushing' was his downfall with some undecided people I know. They found it disrespectful. freshwest Nov 2012 #54
I yelled at the TV when he did that DonRedwood Nov 2012 #70
Ah, you are a cool one, then. I had to get rid of the teevee! Or have a stroke, LOL! freshwest Nov 2012 #71
This one agrees too. shraby Nov 2012 #18
They can be called the winner...but they lose because they are a winner/liar. The next time around DonRedwood Nov 2012 #44
palease. robinlynne Nov 2012 #21
It's The SuperPacs Than Ran Amok... KharmaTrain Nov 2012 #26
How can anyone "win" a debate Mme. Defarge Nov 2012 #28
Bravo and well-said. DonRedwood Nov 2012 #39
DOJ--->ALEC-->RICO... conspiracy to deny voting rights oldhippydude Nov 2012 #30
I agree with you 100%! DonRedwood Nov 2012 #40
I agree PBO is not only a long-game chess player... namaste2 Nov 2012 #32
It has ALWAYS been the plan. But it's assailed as being not masculine enough by those who have freshwest Nov 2012 #34
Really freshwest Vietnameravet Nov 2012 #50
Not on that occasion, but some wanted him to curse early on his administration. They claimed he freshwest Nov 2012 #55
Please fresh Vietnameravet Nov 2012 #63
If we're letting the media decide the framing of success, they certainly did. And viewers agreed. freshwest Nov 2012 #67
+111111 treestar Nov 2012 #68
Maybe, maybe not. northoftheborder Nov 2012 #43
I tend to agree with you somewhat. Lugnut Nov 2012 #64
If his master plan was to lose a lot of ground that he just BARELY made back... Curtland1015 Nov 2012 #66
I also thought Obama won and I still do. It really made me mad the way Tweety, Ed & Rachel Raine Nov 2012 #72
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 OBAMAWILLWIN Nov 2012 #76
2c: bemildred Nov 2012 #77
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