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H2O Man

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41. It is an
Mon Aug 29, 2022, 05:32 PM
Aug 2022

imperfect justice system that we have. (Or "they" have.) And that's from the local level up. I've worked on court cases on the local, state, and federal levels, and recognize some of the problem is found in the people involved, and some is the nature of the system. I've seen justice denied, delayed, and/or delivered.

I disagree with Bill Barr's decision to rule that the DOJ not charge a sitting president. In part, because of Barr's political agenda to promote an "imperial presidency" beyond what Schlesinger warned of in his 1973. And part was a system that had gone by this concept well before Barr.

Likewise, I don't think the DOJ should delay an indictment, because of the November elections. Trump's not running. Trump is more of a national security threat than, say, the Unabomber was. It didn't matter that his arrest might upset militia-minded voters.

I might prefer it go faster, but I can appreciate that an investigation with that many witnesses, potential targets, and those who are clearly guilty as sin -- along with on-going threat assessments -- might take longer. Will it result in justice? Delayed? Denied. We will have to wait and see.

As far as cattle getting out, I should note that no one on DU has had more experience -- good and bad -- in that field. Imagine skipping school in 6th grade, watching Captain Kangaroo, and having your father's herd looking in the window? The question becomes do you try to put them in and fix the fence? Or risk a neighbor calling your father at work, and him hurrying home? Or working on John & Yoko's farm, and spending unlimited hours getting heifers back out of the woods? Having a bull run over you when you try to get him back? To have "beefalo" from a neighbors' farm constantly destroying your pastures, because the grass looked greener? Or finally, being arrested by state police for cattle rustling, being held for two hours in a detention room -- including having two investigators stick their heads in, and one say, "We have ways of making 'tough guys' talk!" Only to resolve it within two minutes when actual interrogation began, and all charges dropped? Being left to walk the 23 miles home, as you were "no longer in custody"? Ha!

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Remember [View all] H2O Man Aug 2022 OP
I assume they already have a lot of information that we know nothing about kentuck Aug 2022 #1
Right. H2O Man Aug 2022 #4
Bingo. They've already got tfg squarely in the wrong. crickets Aug 2022 #17
Exactly! H2O Man Aug 2022 #20
An interesting side trip to consider is that all the people who were shown the documents, who wiggs Aug 2022 #34
Great point! H2O Man Aug 2022 #38
While "reasonable doubt" is usually the standard for conviction MissMillie Aug 2022 #2
Definitely. H2O Man Aug 2022 #6
And Remember That malaise Aug 2022 #3
Yes. H2O Man Aug 2022 #7
Many of his cult will be jumping ship shortly malaise Aug 2022 #11
Hope so! Saoirse9 Aug 2022 #12
That is the nature H2O Man Aug 2022 #23
Other, related crimes? Maybe. Other people involved with the crimes. Almost certainly...nt Wounded Bear Aug 2022 #5
Exactly! H2O Man Aug 2022 #8
Most investigations are "bottom up." This one might develop a "top down" element... Wounded Bear Aug 2022 #9
Trump is the very H2O Man Aug 2022 #13
I agree with this Saoirse9 Aug 2022 #10
Sociopathy. H2O Man Aug 2022 #14
Are sociopaths delusional? Saoirse9 Aug 2022 #16
Under pressure, H2O Man Aug 2022 #18
Diagnostic of Sociopathy? Saoirse9 Aug 2022 #36
Oh, for sure! H2O Man Aug 2022 #39
We the public got to see the giddiness. Reports from people inside show the episodes of psychosis. Hekate Aug 2022 #60
I've mentioned Michael Stone, H2O Man Aug 2022 #70
You know WaterMan when you get right down to it malaise Aug 2022 #64
Oh, exactly. Exactly! H2O Man Aug 2022 #71
You know WaterMan when you get right down to it malaise Aug 2022 #65
K&R spanone Aug 2022 #15
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2022 #19
When you strike at the king, you must kill him. Ray Bruns Aug 2022 #21
Yep! H2O Man Aug 2022 #24
And they will because they must. Our democracy depends on it Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #28
I agree. H2O Man Aug 2022 #78
Yup. Tick Tock. Joinfortmill Aug 2022 #22
"Tick Tock"!!! H2O Man Aug 2022 #26
I'm still thinking they have backend evidence from... IrishAfricanAmerican Aug 2022 #25
I agree. H2O Man Aug 2022 #27
The only criticism I can think of for AG Garland... Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #29
Interesting! H2O Man Aug 2022 #31
Before he became a Judge BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #45
Right. H2O Man Aug 2022 #50
At some point the question has to be, "Have you ever known or talked with TFG?" PurgedVoter Aug 2022 #30
Right. H2O Man Aug 2022 #32
Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. OMGWTF Aug 2022 #33
True fact! H2O Man Aug 2022 #40
Does arresting, charging and trying Trump for crimes having a 99.9% probable conviction........ jaxexpat Aug 2022 #35
It is an H2O Man Aug 2022 #41
I get it. Cattle are predictably unpredictable. Like juries, I expect. jaxexpat Aug 2022 #44
I like and respect H2O Man Aug 2022 #48
The " I guess you're saying" was not meant to place words in your mouth or condescending to you. jaxexpat Aug 2022 #55
Okay. H2O Man Aug 2022 #69
Guineas eat ticks Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #76
My father got H2O Man Aug 2022 #77
"Is there some legal gimmickry beyond the understanding of mere mortals at play here? " BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #46
The chicken or the egg. Who's first when neither can exist without the other. jaxexpat Aug 2022 #51
Since grand jury proceedings are secret BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #54
I plead Guilty: of fictionalized concepts for how justice works. jaxexpat Aug 2022 #56
"it takes 20 months and a televised congressional investigation" BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #57
I rounded the time the wrong way and should have used 19 months instead of 20. jaxexpat Aug 2022 #58
Again, unless you are working for DOJ BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #59
Thank you for your time. jaxexpat Aug 2022 #61
I am glad to be retired! BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #62
I just can't agree more. jaxexpat Aug 2022 #63
Well perhaps fortunately BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #66
Thank you for the wealth of information you've laid out in this thread! Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #79
You are welcome BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #80
Got a match? Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #37
Oh dear! H2O Man Aug 2022 #42
I don't know the origin Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2022 #43
Damn that's good malaise Aug 2022 #52
I'm waiting for RICO charges Nictuku Aug 2022 #47
That is certainly H2O Man Aug 2022 #49
We already know he broke his oath of office and only a traitor Emile Aug 2022 #53
That's true. H2O Man Aug 2022 #72
Only problem is, new crimes are being committed almost daily ecstatic Aug 2022 #67
But as we know BumRushDaShow Aug 2022 #68
Interesting. H2O Man Aug 2022 #74
They also need to make certain that the evidence Ilsa Aug 2022 #73
Right. H2O Man Aug 2022 #75
I wish I could do that. Ilsa Aug 2022 #81
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