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In reply to the discussion: You know how Obama hung back in the debate and let Romney rant, lie and hang himself? [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)34. It has ALWAYS been the plan. But it's assailed as being not masculine enough by those who have
subconsciously bought into the conserative 'tough guy' routine and want the Democrats to do the same. It is not what a person who believes in democracy does, but demagogues have ruled the airwaves so long, it's been normalized.
They call Obama and Democrats spineless for not getting up and yelling and cursing and throwing a fit. Obama won that debate in substance, but the media kept encouraging the bully routine because that's who owns the networks. A lot of cranky, wealthy, authoritarian bullies who make the reporters dance to the tune they order. Or else. In that respect, I've given up getting mad at those lower on the totem pole at the networks. It's like whipping the help, going up to the fast food clerk who doesn't agree with their boss, but it's a cheap thrill.
But the overpaid shills of this same group of bullies, such as the O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck and Limbaugh lackeys, are in tight with the media owners (Mittens = Bain = Clear Channel + Murdoch = Newscorp) and know they are doing the bidding of fascists and revel in their Orwellian jobs to distort American politics and bring the government to its knees so that it can no longer protect the citizenry from corporate theft and religious bigotry.
They are arrogant and proud of the numbers of people whose minds they have owned by lying to them. Beck even mocks his followers, saying anyone who takes his opinions seriously is an idiot because he's just an entertainer, a rodeo clown. For this he gets around $10M annually, sometimes more. The others get similiar salaries and help forge GOP talking points.
That's not how democracy is played, it's about ideals, learning and working things out. Because if your believe in equality, you have to respect at least by process, those who are misled.
Purity = Zealotry does not allow for the free exchange of ideals and working things out. There is no respect for the other point of view. It is the first step for totalitarianism and shouting people down, and bitter accusations without truth or logic, are the tools of demagogues, as we've been treated to for over twenty years on radio and television.
Very good OP, Don, thanks.
They call Obama and Democrats spineless for not getting up and yelling and cursing and throwing a fit. Obama won that debate in substance, but the media kept encouraging the bully routine because that's who owns the networks. A lot of cranky, wealthy, authoritarian bullies who make the reporters dance to the tune they order. Or else. In that respect, I've given up getting mad at those lower on the totem pole at the networks. It's like whipping the help, going up to the fast food clerk who doesn't agree with their boss, but it's a cheap thrill.
But the overpaid shills of this same group of bullies, such as the O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck and Limbaugh lackeys, are in tight with the media owners (Mittens = Bain = Clear Channel + Murdoch = Newscorp) and know they are doing the bidding of fascists and revel in their Orwellian jobs to distort American politics and bring the government to its knees so that it can no longer protect the citizenry from corporate theft and religious bigotry.
They are arrogant and proud of the numbers of people whose minds they have owned by lying to them. Beck even mocks his followers, saying anyone who takes his opinions seriously is an idiot because he's just an entertainer, a rodeo clown. For this he gets around $10M annually, sometimes more. The others get similiar salaries and help forge GOP talking points.
That's not how democracy is played, it's about ideals, learning and working things out. Because if your believe in equality, you have to respect at least by process, those who are misled.
Purity = Zealotry does not allow for the free exchange of ideals and working things out. There is no respect for the other point of view. It is the first step for totalitarianism and shouting people down, and bitter accusations without truth or logic, are the tools of demagogues, as we've been treated to for over twenty years on radio and television.
Very good OP, Don, thanks.
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You know how Obama hung back in the debate and let Romney rant, lie and hang himself? [View all]
DonRedwood
Nov 2012
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My cup is always full, and I just know in my heart of hearts that Obama's playing ....
Scuba
Nov 2012
#7
I was a debate champion in school, 53 college awards, national ranking, was a judge and have a Bach
DonRedwood
Nov 2012
#10
and you can't debate lies -- it becomes "you are wrong" or "that isn't true"
DonRedwood
Nov 2012
#17
Sometimes the best response to blowhards and liars is to let the weight of their foolishness fill
freshwest
Nov 2012
#46
LOL, I grew up hearing a lot of them. I wish I could remember some. I attended
freshwest
Nov 2012
#62
But if you look at the debates as Part One, Part Two and Part Three instead of as three indidvidual
DonRedwood
Nov 2012
#25
The important thing is that we are all on the same team and that team WINS!!
Vietnameravet
Nov 2012
#59
A Second Term Obama Unencumbered With Reelection and Empowered With An IMPROVED Dem House and Senate
Skraxx
Nov 2012
#13
and the repubs just made it all necessary: voting fraud, suppression, union busting, abortion rights
DonRedwood
Nov 2012
#36
We think alike. I said 4 years ago his first term would be to get a 2nd term to come out swinging.
Gregorian
Nov 2012
#14
Very good comments! Welcome to DU!! How are things on the ground in your neck of the woods?
DonRedwood
Nov 2012
#37
I haven't seen many signs here...except for ours. The Rightwingers across the street
DonRedwood
Nov 2012
#69
I think he held back too much... but when he saw Romney lying to the American Public
DonRedwood
Nov 2012
#38
The 'shushing' was his downfall with some undecided people I know. They found it disrespectful.
freshwest
Nov 2012
#54
Ah, you are a cool one, then. I had to get rid of the teevee! Or have a stroke, LOL!
freshwest
Nov 2012
#71
They can be called the winner...but they lose because they are a winner/liar. The next time around
DonRedwood
Nov 2012
#44
It has ALWAYS been the plan. But it's assailed as being not masculine enough by those who have
freshwest
Nov 2012
#34
Not on that occasion, but some wanted him to curse early on his administration. They claimed he
freshwest
Nov 2012
#55
If we're letting the media decide the framing of success, they certainly did. And viewers agreed.
freshwest
Nov 2012
#67
If his master plan was to lose a lot of ground that he just BARELY made back...
Curtland1015
Nov 2012
#66