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Vietnameravet

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41. Please Don

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:41 PM

Nov 2012

I appreciate your enthusiasm but as a debater you surely know facts do not necessarily win out over fiction.. maybe in academic they do but not for certain in the "other" world where people refuse to believe in Global Warming but think Demonic possession is real and cant name three Supreme Court Justices but can name the Three Stooges!

I too have a degree in Communications and spent 40 years in advertising...believe me, I know, facts do not always win over bullshit.

Take it from me..

BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!!

I have a BS Degree and decades of experience at it!

And the idea that President Obama allowed Mitt to spew all kinds of lies without response with the idea that somehow the general public would know them to be lies or that he could later set the record straight..is hard to accept...

Obama did well in the second and third debate and that is what renewed his chances...which I think are very good..

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You know how Obama hung back in the debate and let Romney rant, lie and hang himself? [View all] DonRedwood Nov 2012 OP

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