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wnylib

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22. They were not getting wealth from the Americas
Sat Sep 3, 2022, 03:53 PM
Sep 2022

at the time of this map. The map is dated 1444, about half a century before Columbus.

All those German states, duchies, and principalities were loosely connected as the Holy Roman Empire, which was actually Germanic, not Roman. The German states that evolved out of various Germanic tribes considered themselves the heirs of Rome because they had been Roman military allies until they turned on Rome, invaded (along with other tribes), and claimed themselves the rightful heirs after Rome collapsed (with the help of the German invaders.)

The Holy Roman Emperors were elected by the princes and nobility in the various states. Other nations got involved with ruling the HRE when larger dynastic families developed in Europe (Hapsburgs, Hohezollerns, Bourbons) and intermarried. Consequently, as nation state kingdoms developed and grew, there were wars between nations over who would be the next Holy Roman Emperor.

Sometimes those wars spilled over into the American colonies because the Holy Roman Emperor at one time was Spanish and married into the French Bourbon line, making them eligible to become HR Emperor. This led to French raids from New France (Canada), with their Native allies, on English colonies in New England because England opposed the combined French/Spanish bid to have the next Emperor. It upset the European balance of power too much for the English. My English ancestors were in NE villages that were attacked by New France and their Native allies.

But those colonial wars between the English and French in North America started in the first decade of the 18th century, long after this 15th century map.




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Medieval map 1444 [View all] packman Sep 2022 OP
Fascinating. MineralMan Sep 2022 #1
Alright, which one of y'all glitter-bombed Germany? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2022 #2
I think they tried to overcompensate for that during WWII nt Shermann Sep 2022 #4
So many separate, small "kingdoms"! jmbar2 Sep 2022 #3
Germany at that point was the result of inheritance laws. malthaussen Sep 2022 #8
Fascinating! cilla4progress Sep 2022 #9
Thanks for the elaboration. Did they all just grift off the serfs? jmbar2 Sep 2022 #10
At the time the real power lay with the Religious leaders. Kings were a dime a dozen. Tommymac Sep 2022 #17
They were not getting wealth from the Americas wnylib Sep 2022 #22
The war in the 1700s was about the Spanish Succession, not the Holy Roman Empire muriel_volestrangler Sep 2022 #24
Oops. You are right. I conflated the War of the Spanish Succession wnylib Sep 2022 #26
Yeah, basically. Some of these principalities were pretty damned poor. malthaussen Sep 2022 #25
In the 18th and 19th century their major exports Retrograde Sep 2022 #19
The French intermarried with the Spanish. wnylib Sep 2022 #23
Another thing: You can save the entire map in full resolution. MineralMan Sep 2022 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author MineralMan Sep 2022 #6
Thanks for posting Dave in VA Sep 2022 #7
This is what guides Mockalito in his decisions. Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #11
Fascinating map and discussion. Bookmarking. crickets Sep 2022 #12
At thge time of the map whistler162 Sep 2022 #13
Fascinating. Amazing how large Lithuania is. grantcart Sep 2022 #14
Poland-Lithuania was the dominant country in Eastern Europe Wednesdays Sep 2022 #16
Within just a few years after that, the French Wednesdays Sep 2022 #15
Beautiful map. Germany, oh Germany..... paleotn Sep 2022 #18
Lithuania is gigantic on this map, compared to what it is now FakeNoose Sep 2022 #20
Source CloudWatcher Sep 2022 #21
Found what may be the ancestral home of all Republicans.... KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2022 #27
Great map, interesting comments. Thanks, Packman! Hortensis Sep 2022 #28
as Terry Pratchett once wrote Conjuay Sep 2022 #29
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