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Hortensis

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22. It's due to be completed next year. Natural gas is hardly an ideal for
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 02:16 AM
Sep 2022

Last edited Fri Sep 9, 2022, 02:55 AM - Edit history (1)

how we want to supply energy in future, but it's almost done, an imperfect asset we can put to work as we turn to meeting many, many, MANY other, vital energy issues. The balance of costs and benefits strongly favors using it to help maintain life-sustaining energy for real people while we take dirty (dirtier in this case) energy away. None of this is about profits for those building it.

Absolutely everything depends on adequate energy for existence, and demand is increasing due to climate emergencies and population growth -- in spite of use becoming more efficient. Society must maintain adequate energy supplies WHILE we transition to sustainable sources and away from fossil fuels.

Where supplies are not adequate, there will be no transition. Society won't allow -- except where people are too poor and few to save themselves and their communities, of course.

We're already seeing warning signs around the nation of system failures for various reasons. There is little mention of the relatively few human deaths so far, or of already dying communities, but they're actually giant, blazing danger signals.

We have to be smarter than we have been about a lot of things to bring ourselves through this. Our safety margins for foolish mistakes are gone. And we really need to listen to and empower good leaders; those prone to well meaning but fruitless thinking are as problematic as those prone to cupidity and factional knuckledragging now that we must meet many emergencies for real.

So finish the almost-finished pipeline that's already torn through 300 miles of mostly wilderness forest and farmland because it's almost finished and can be used. Insist it be done right. Monitor properly, which we have technology to do far better than ever before. Dismantle it, along with other pipelines, as we do away with natural gas, or probably sooner when demand for natural gas drops below economic viability, as it will. Replant the forests. Farming will always have continued where it was.

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Kickety Kickin' Faux pas Sep 2022 #1
Go Bernie! RainCaster Sep 2022 #2
I'm good with him opposing that vote. I would oppose it too. Autumn Sep 2022 #3
See post 9 for all the incredibly damaging things in Manchin's side deal, it goes far beyond just Celerity Sep 2022 #12
It's a horrible bill. Bernie will catch shit for opposing this POS bill from the same people who Autumn Sep 2022 #25
YES! Standing up for the environment is a hill I would die on! PuraVidaDreamin Sep 2022 #4
Really? There's only about 20 miles left to completion of the Mountain Valley. Hortensis Sep 2022 #5
Manchin's side deal's far more than just the pipeline, it has many disastrous elements that undercut Celerity Sep 2022 #11
Wrong - not true womanofthehills Sep 2022 #21
It's due to be completed next year. Natural gas is hardly an ideal for Hortensis Sep 2022 #22
Sanders is willing to shut down the government for 20 miles...really. Demsrule86 Sep 2022 #6
Manchin's side deal is far more than just '20 miles', it is a disastrous undercutting of the IRA and Celerity Sep 2022 #9
Fast-tracking big energy projects is also vital for rolling out a national renewable grid NickB79 Sep 2022 #13
So parse out renewables/green-related permitting, and sod the fossil fuel climate killers. Celerity Sep 2022 #14
It's not quite that simple NickB79 Sep 2022 #28
I am sure they can sort it Celerity Sep 2022 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Sep 2022 #15
Thank god for environmental reviews - womanofthehills Sep 2022 #19
Wrong - company's own reports - 55.8% + 429 risky water crossings womanofthehills Sep 2022 #16
ManChin has had a pretty decent run BlueIdaho Sep 2022 #7
Bernie is pulling a Manchin on Manchin. Holding up legislation because he can. Beastly Boy Sep 2022 #8
You have it backwards, the IRA's already signed law, Manchin's side deal is what massively undercuts Celerity Sep 2022 #10
Yeah, I messed up Beastly Boy Sep 2022 #17
A no vote on the Continuing Resolution would shut down the government. former9thward Sep 2022 #18
Unlikely. Just one GOP vote in favor will get it passed, Bernie or not. Beastly Boy Sep 2022 #23
No, Bernie is holding up legislation because the project is an environmental disaster womanofthehills Sep 2022 #20
Attaching the pipeline deal to the continuing budget resolution is not a done deal. Beastly Boy Sep 2022 #24
The IRA was touted as the most consequential environmental legislation in decades Sympthsical Sep 2022 #26
Hell yes! AntivaxHunters Sep 2022 #27
Better: Kill the debt limit legislation Grins Sep 2022 #30
More than 70 House Democrats join push against Manchin's permitting reform Eugene Sep 2022 #31
Really, how could Democrats ever be accused of stealing any election elocs Sep 2022 #32
This is ridiculous. If we want the IRA to work, we need permitting reform NickB79 Sep 2022 #33
70+ Dems in House send letter to leadership against special deal Nanjeanne Sep 2022 #34
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