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How did the US get it so wrong about the mighty russian military? For decades, [View all] niyad Sep 2022 OP

Russia is and always will be a threat. jimfields33 Sep 2022 #1

and they have the ability to harm us in other non violent ways samnsara Sep 2022 #19

TFG & Brexit to name 2. nt Tommymac Sep 2022 #32

That kind of harm has already done untold damage. ananda Sep 2022 #34

Russia's fundamental aims toward stopdiggin Sep 2022 #30

Yep. calimary Sep 2022 #43

Russia's use of propaganda... Trueblue Texan Sep 2022 #44

their nukes maybe just an illusion as well - they need a lot of upkeep Fullduplexxx Sep 2022 #52

That is true. Progressive dog Sep 2022 #84

So the rats are leaving the sinking ship? All of a sudden the oligarchs Srkdqltr Sep 2022 #2

Or.... don't get ahead of ourselves?? Srkdqltr Sep 2022 #3

Yup Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #40

It isn't just Russia Kaleva Sep 2022 #4

Alas, power is addictive. WWII ended handing a huge power surplus to the US Model35mech Sep 2022 #12

Democrats don't support an isolationist policy Kaleva Sep 2022 #60

True, they're interventionists. Model35mech Sep 2022 #76

Bingo. Modern warfare is expensive. paleotn Sep 2022 #64

Also, the US has been able to supply UKR Kaleva Sep 2022 #93

The threat was always the nukes, still is. Ocelot II Sep 2022 #5

We have a bloated military budget because we protect the world jimfields33 Sep 2022 #6

++++++++ comradebillyboy Sep 2022 #11

In the time of Pax Americana, you are spot on. paleotn Sep 2022 #47

The lies were a tool of control to convince Americans communists were coming for their food bucolic_frolic Sep 2022 #7

Perhaps an illusion that worked for everyone. NCDem47 Sep 2022 #20

"Nothing more than nukes" isn't nothing. Ocelot II Sep 2022 #27

+1 Meadowoak Sep 2022 #26

Did getting it "wrong" have anything to do with the trillions made by US arms manufacturers? Magoo48 Sep 2022 #8

Trillions? Evidence? paleotn Sep 2022 #55

If last year's war department budget was roughly 6 hundred billion, yes many trillion in last 40yrs. Magoo48 Sep 2022 #73

Mathematically, no. paleotn Sep 2022 #75

Perhaps you're correct. I don't care to argue away from the point, so, let me rephrase: Magoo48 Sep 2022 #97

So defense companies should do it for free? paleotn Sep 2022 #98

How much inthewind21 Sep 2022 #99

You and I will forever be light years apart on this issue, so.... Magoo48 Sep 2022 #100

this is so interesting, and I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this! renate Sep 2022 #101

Bloated American bloodsucking military needs enemies, strong enemies, many enemies! Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2022 #9

The only way to cut the budget is for the United States to tell the world they are on their own jimfields33 Sep 2022 #14

Yes. Cut the budget in half, cause when did the world ever ask to be so well protected?! Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2022 #15

Sounds good to me....but what about the yellow ribbon sales??? walkingman Sep 2022 #17

Glad we'll never see that happen. jimfields33 Sep 2022 #49

Or, we could stop funding things like the f-35, unnecessary redundencies, do strict niyad Sep 2022 #92

Citizens of the world are captive populations Marthe48 Sep 2022 #10

Wow!!! So many DUers want America to be weak and defenseless. comradebillyboy Sep 2022 #13

World never asked America to spend near a trillion a year protecting it! Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2022 #16

Ukraine has been asking for our resources for months. jimfields33 Sep 2022 #51

Not The World, and no one begged. Kuwait was about oil business. Others don't have clue Alexander Of Assyria Sep 2022 #94

Twelve times Conjuay Sep 2022 #29

Don't confuse the Soviet Union with Putin's Russia. Happy Hoosier Sep 2022 #18

Good point underpants Sep 2022 #21

This is my take as well. maxsolomon Sep 2022 #48

Yes, they have a huge army and tons of equipment. However... GoCubsGo Sep 2022 #74

The DOD is a jobs program underpants Sep 2022 #22

That's why a successful weapons program COL Mustard Sep 2022 #42

Bingo. paleotn Sep 2022 #79

I'd rather work for NASA Happy Hoosier Sep 2022 #87

We haven't expected a ground war with Russia since the end of the USSR... brooklynite Sep 2022 #23

We haven't expected a ground war with Russia since the end of the USSR... brooklynite Sep 2022 #24

They put their guy in the White House. Turbineguy Sep 2022 #25

Don't worry Conjuay Sep 2022 #28

you don't see China's (rather clearly advertised) stopdiggin Sep 2022 #31

So you see China and the Norks as not a threat to the US? MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2022 #56

You're not in Taiwan I'd guess. paleotn Sep 2022 #81

How dare you question the almighty military. twodogsbarking Sep 2022 #33

Russia's economy is the size of Italy's. They are surely NOT an economic power. They have c-rational Sep 2022 #35

It's always been our oligarchs and theirs against the people of the world. jaxexpat Sep 2022 #36

It wasn't wrong, it was directed. Aviation Pro Sep 2022 #37

Amen Joinfortmill Sep 2022 #38

I'm sure there a several factors, but one is just caution. sl8 Sep 2022 #39

Before Ike Codifer Sep 2022 #41

I think anyone who studies Russia, and certainly anyone in the military... SKKY Sep 2022 #45

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2022 #58

I do not think the US military got anything wrong. The Jungle 1 Sep 2022 #46

+1 Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #50

I ask myself that question a lot Victor_c3 Sep 2022 #53

American military power especially the navy has largely shaped and maintained the world order since Pepsidog Sep 2022 #54

What this country needs is a good Department of Peace Higherarky Sep 2022 #57

I worked on that campaign, even though I knew there was little chance of niyad Sep 2022 #63

You still are working on that campaign, Friend. Higherarky Sep 2022 #82

Thank you, My Friend. niyad Sep 2022 #91

Funny how you don't point fingers at Congress.... paleotn Sep 2022 #59

Funny how you missef "How did the ******US****** get it wrong." niyad Sep 2022 #61

"were supposed to accept the obscenely bloated MIC budget" paleotn Sep 2022 #71

Politicians ignoring the IC? moondust Sep 2022 #62

That is certainly a large part. Payoffs, kickbacks, campaign funding. . . niyad Sep 2022 #65

During the Carter and Regan administrations, the CIA regularly reported that the USSR was going Martin68 Sep 2022 #66

Not everyone was surprised by the state of the Russian military. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #88

The Russians have a great deal more artillery than the UKR. We have helped counteract that with far Martin68 Sep 2022 #102

As you yourself suggest, there is no comparing the conventional artillery Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #103

Partly true, but the antique artillery is destroying significant amounts of cities, infrastructure, Martin68 Sep 2022 #104

The Russian artillery capacity has given them ability to indiscriminately Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #105

Let's see if the Russian citizens can take this opportunity to liberate themselves Buckeyeblue Sep 2022 #67

One lives in hope. . . niyad Sep 2022 #68

For a very long time, they weren't wrong Warpy Sep 2022 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author jmowreader Sep 2022 #70

Our military industry complex allowed Ukraine to survive frogstar0 Sep 2022 #72

+1 onenote Sep 2022 #78

The Soviet Union versus modern Russia are distinctly different. NutmegYankee Sep 2022 #77

Just look at what their bankrolling of the NRA has done to this country. gldstwmn Sep 2022 #80

A funny take on this, I hope underpants Sep 2022 #83

Russia is not the only military threat to the US. Progressive dog Sep 2022 #85

Amazingly enough, I know that. But I also know how many years I spent hearing niyad Sep 2022 #90

The US spent 20 years in Afghanistan and lost. meadowlander Sep 2022 #86

Don't get ahead of yourself. Xolodno Sep 2022 #89

Smedley Butler had it right: Atticus Sep 2022 #95

We were paying too much attention to a dead queen? 48656c6c6f20 Sep 2022 #96

Donnie Two Point IQ got punked by Putin librechik Sep 2022 #106