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meadowlander

(5,109 posts)
32. There is a qualitative difference between being economically exploited and enslaved.
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 06:16 PM
Sep 2022

I'm Irish. My ancestors were tenant farmers driven off their land during the famine while the colonising powers at the time continued to export food instead of feeding the people producing it. They were economically exploited.

But my ancestors were not kidnapped, taken to another country, raped and bred like cattle, ripped away from their family networks, beaten, branded, and killed for trying to leave.

And as a white person, my grandparents and parents had access to education, jobs, housing and other economic benefits that lifted them into the middle class - benefits that were not available to the descendants of slaves.

So no, it's is not a "dumb divisive issue". It is the original sin of the American experiment and until we are honest about it and make a genuine effort to make amends those wounds will never heal. That is the only way we can "deal with it".

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Post removed Post removed Sep 2022 #1
That reply was totally uncalled for. grumpyduck Sep 2022 #3
You are correct! patricia92243 Sep 2022 #5
Additionally that user wasn't helping at all. The internet is full of shitty info put up by lying emulatorloo Sep 2022 #7
Some people tend to forget that... WarGamer Sep 2022 #26
I think the concept is that the original injury of slavery deprived people Ocelot II Sep 2022 #2
And obvious cases continue well into the last century wryter2000 Sep 2022 #8
What tipped my thinking was learning that a couple of Southern states were actually black-majority.. Girard442 Sep 2022 #4
Here are the sources I used to understand the issue Torchlight Sep 2022 #6
Thank you happybird Sep 2022 #14
Also, How to Be An Antiracist, by Ibram Kendi. yardwork Sep 2022 #49
I've always thought of it not so much Demobrat Sep 2022 #9
Yes, this nt Unwind Your Mind Sep 2022 #44
Thank you to the previous few posters. grumpyduck Sep 2022 #10
I think Ocelot's is a good post too. It succinctly states the complex reason. Scrivener7 Sep 2022 #12
Yeah, I started off writing "the previous three posters," grumpyduck Sep 2022 #15
Good question, though. I think your lack of clarity on the goal of reparations is shared by Scrivener7 Sep 2022 #16
. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #11
Kick and rec, you are getting a lot of good replies and information. emulatorloo Sep 2022 #13
How far do we go back? Or are there privelleged/protected classes of people? TheRealNorth Sep 2022 #17
It depends on what you mean by "we." Straw Man Sep 2022 #30
There is a qualitative difference between being economically exploited and enslaved. meadowlander Sep 2022 #32
The best arguments are that slavery and the many decades of discrimination that followed Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #18
The case for reparations isn't just about chattel slavery..... spicysista Sep 2022 #19
This is the best primer, right here; a great place for anyone to start, especially if they don't WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #20
Mr. Coates makes the case in a very accessible way. spicysista Sep 2022 #24
Yes! That article taught me so much! femmedem Sep 2022 #35
John Conyers' bill on reparations, introduced 30 years ago, is now being discussed in Congress Rhiannon12866 Sep 2022 #21
The reparations were supposed to be forty acres and a mule which they never received. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2022 #22
Would you be open to a couple of book recommendations? ismnotwasm Sep 2022 #23
My own family history helps me understand it. femmedem Sep 2022 #25
The problem is that it wasn't addressed 200 years ago maxrandb Sep 2022 #27
Our allegiance to that which is right, correct, and proper,... ... magicarpet Sep 2022 #28
Recommending the responses to this post unweird Sep 2022 #29
Post removed Post removed Sep 2022 #31
Hey, that's not worthy of you. femmedem Sep 2022 #34
because I know what the deal is Skittles Sep 2022 #36
+1 MrsCoffee Sep 2022 #42
Interesting Brenda Sep 2022 #33
THANK YOU Skittles Sep 2022 #37
How does this help? Zeitghost Sep 2022 #47
It doesn't and it's uncalled for. nt MarineCombatEngineer Sep 2022 #48
This is a ForgedCrank Sep 2022 #38
It's not a problem direct cash payments can fix madville Sep 2022 #39
"slavery and such"? Jesus, man. (nt) FreepFryer Sep 2022 #40
No fucking shit! Brenda Sep 2022 #41
+1 MrsCoffee Sep 2022 #43
Can you elaborate on "and such"? likesmountains 52 Sep 2022 #45
The problem with direct reparation payments Zeitghost Sep 2022 #46
US Federal Gov **DID** pay reparations already !!! ... to the slave masters uponit7771 Sep 2022 #50
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