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honest.abe

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282. As a final note to this loooong thread..

Fri Sep 16, 2022, 02:54 PM

Sep 2022

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I want to thank everyone for their thoughtful posts with the exception of those who are certain I am a bigot and hate Russia. To those people I forgive you as we are all on the same side and if you knew me you would know I am not that way at all.

Also, I am bit more comfortable with the situation now. This is just one year and next year it very easily could be Spanish or French or some other language that we feel is more useful and practical. Also some of the comments made me think more about the positive effects of being exposed to a language like Russian.. one person wrote... "Russian is a great language to learn. Imagine being able to read Tolstoy and many other Classics in Russian instead of the translations". That one got me. Thanks JI7!

Anyway thanks again. I am done with this thread.

Honest.Abe

Ciao!

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I just found out my kid's kindergarten class is teaching Russian 40 mins per day. [View all] honest.abe Sep 2022 OP

They're doing in anticipation of Trump seizing power in the near future? canuckledragger Sep 2022 #1

Price George's county??????? jimfields33 Sep 2022 #93

WOW! elleng Sep 2022 #2

I dont know. Maybe some Russian Oligarch is on the school board. honest.abe Sep 2022 #8

Why the hell are they teaching any foreign languages... W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #3

Exactly.. English should be the focus at his age. honest.abe Sep 2022 #6

Because it's a great age to pick up a foreign language. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #9

It's a better age to pick up your first language. W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #14

Kids' brains can do both at once, actually. They're enviously plastic. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #16

Many don't understand that Effete Snob Sep 2022 #26

I really should stop being surprised by this place, but I'll admit it, this one is getting me. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #28

Yup Effete Snob Sep 2022 #33

I know! WTH? Iris Sep 2022 #183

I'm gobsmacked. BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #212

+1 Totally agree.n/t ChazII Sep 2022 #228

Agreed - I read the title and my immediate reaction was to wish I had a child Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #255

+1 Exactly. n/t FSogol Sep 2022 #41

Picking up a second language at that age teaches what a concept is. That applegrove Sep 2022 #55

Because... Effete Snob Sep 2022 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Sep 2022 #159

Correct Effete Snob Sep 2022 #290

I read a book about the brain that said kids under 10 absorb language extremely well. MLAA Sep 2022 #37

You read a book? Effete Snob Sep 2022 #66

Really? LisaL Sep 2022 #73

Children shouldn't be taught to read books Effete Snob Sep 2022 #77

All righty then. LisaL Sep 2022 #83

I am assuming that is humor of some type... nt EX500rider Sep 2022 #261

One would assume it is humor in general Effete Snob Sep 2022 #284

Yep... perfect time. nt prodigitalson Sep 2022 #108

My daughters went to Montessori for preschool and kindergarten karynnj Sep 2022 #189

this is a fact, even earlier. My granddaughters were hearing Dutch and English since they were born msfiddlestix Sep 2022 #193

Your expertise in education and child development is what, exactly? Effete Snob Sep 2022 #11

I'm sure it would be nice instruction in a perfect world. W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #19

Your expertise is what? Effete Snob Sep 2022 #27

It's my opinion, just like your opinions is yours and your... W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #39

Amazingly enough, when I was growing up, in just about every household that I niyad Sep 2022 #145

As others have pointed out, learning another language actually improves proficiency Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #259

Most kids won't ever be professional musicians or athletes, so we should probably cut music WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #29

Don't quit your day job for a career in comedy. W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #48

Teaching a foreign language helps them learn English Effete Snob Sep 2022 #56

Agree about helping to learn English. BadgerKid Sep 2022 #115

I don't care whom you is, yall aint got no business teachin them furrin talks to younguns Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #184

Once a kid from an English-language home hits kindergarten, there's not a lot of "learning" left to WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #61

What are you talking about, there's not a lot of learning left? W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #82

I'm curious, what new things are you learning about the language in your 40s? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #86

Gesso. W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #95

Right, there's a difference between learning vocabulary words and understanding how language works. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #99

And my point is, no, they don't. W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #109

I'm not simplifying anything. I'm definitely wasting my time, though, and I regret that I ever bit WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #113

Gesso is an Italian word derived from Latin Rob H. Sep 2022 #274

Very bad analogy. honest.abe Sep 2022 #67

You seem to have a very clear idea about what he might do with his life. I'd encourage you to let WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #69

LOL.. honest.abe Sep 2022 #72

It seems a bit ignorant to think that language education is about language use later in life Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #128

The point isn't to make the kids fluent in Russian so they can use it in later life. Ocelot II Sep 2022 #129

Once again, they are kindergarteners. W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #142

How about Chinese? treestar Sep 2022 #281

Did they bring that program back at Linden Hill? Effete Snob Sep 2022 #285

don't know - kids in a different state treestar Sep 2022 #294

Dude. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2022 #279

Wrong. W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #309

I think your time would be better spent researching this topic... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2022 #321

Spanish would make sense since so many Americans speak it. Not Russian. n/t pnwmom Sep 2022 #87

For that very reason, it makes LESS sense Effete Snob Sep 2022 #122

They are KINDERGARTENERS. W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #125

My kindergartner grandchild reads English quite well Effete Snob Sep 2022 #127

Well, aren't you special? nt pnwmom Sep 2022 #134

"Quite well" is subjective. W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #138

If they don't know language, then how do we communicate with them? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #130

Didn't you claim you were bowing out of this thread because you were wasting time? W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #140

I did but I changed my mind because your comment didn't make sense to me. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #198

Very basically... W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #307

They don't know a lot of words. But they know how language *works.* WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #311

Fighting for them to learn relevant topics... W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #314

. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #315

This is such a silly argument. W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #317

I...wasn't arguing. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #318

Gotta disagree with you on the German during WW2 Coventina Sep 2022 #187

Boom. There it is - explicitly. Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #260

learning it before age 7 before the ear "hardens" treestar Sep 2022 #280

Not true. In Canada they teach both French and English in schools pnwmom Sep 2022 #132

The point here is not bilingual education Effete Snob Sep 2022 #136

There are also other ForgedCrank Sep 2022 #147

Ha, this post reminded me of HS and all the Spanish speakers taking French class. Ace Rothstein Sep 2022 #167

Bilingual kid in my family treestar Sep 2022 #283

Don't assume they generally look for ones that no child knows muriel_volestrangler Sep 2022 #306

Yes. And some Canadian federal govt jobs require both. roamer65 Sep 2022 #289

Spanish should be required in schools. roamer65 Sep 2022 #288

Why not a language more prevalent, like Spanish? BradAllison Sep 2022 #96

What did the teacher study in college? Effete Snob Sep 2022 #120

No, it would be smart. It would allow the non-Spanish speakers to better communicate pnwmom Sep 2022 #135

Maybe because sarisataka Sep 2022 #22

Wrong. They speak English already. And wrong: learning a second language HELPS English Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #35

When programmer candidates applied at my past two jobs, musicians were preferred over others. TheBlackAdder Sep 2022 #100

During WW2, one of the best orchestras in whole country was scientists & engineers at Los Alamos. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #103

How do you reconcile that... W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #104

1.They measure English literacy. 2.School language programs have withered (funding). 3 Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #111

Your answers... W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #121

Forget Russian. Sub any other second language and the kids will speak better English than none. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #124

Yes, I did. And I took them at face value... W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #133

1. English literacy is not always the primary language of immigrants! Duh. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #139

No one said it was! W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #143

I agree with everything, except your comment about teaching Russian, now, being ignorant. Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #263

Now the reason is economic, not political. Russian won't be very *useful*. But like I said Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #287

I disagree. llmart Sep 2022 #44

Exactly. Language synergy makes a person better at their mother language by learning other languages Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #57

How DARE you bring facts into this Effete Snob Sep 2022 #68

Sorry, you are right Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #74

What if they taught her Russian instead of Spanish? honest.abe Sep 2022 #165

I would have no problem with that. llmart Sep 2022 #216

How would you rank Russian as useful/practical language to learn as a 5 year old? honest.abe Sep 2022 #220

It's not about practicality - Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #264

How about dancing the Hokey Pokey? Effete Snob Sep 2022 #286

Hmmm . . . unless, just perhaps, it wasn't about learning a specific dance - Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #313

So that's what it's all about! Effete Snob Sep 2022 #319

Teaching the same word in two languages reinforces that word for most kids. haele Sep 2022 #131

I had weekly Spanish classes in kindergarten xmas74 Sep 2022 #153

I wish it was Spanish. honest.abe Sep 2022 #166

So your problem is the language itself? xmas74 Sep 2022 #256

It's pretty clear that it's the politics. n/t Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #266

Is this an imported thread... OneGrassRoot Sep 2022 #202

IKR? grantcart Sep 2022 #257

Because RobinA Sep 2022 #205

Learning foreign languages is much easier the younger you are. BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #211

Because that is when it is best to start teaching different languanges. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2022 #322

I was trying to learn Russian nt XanaDUer2 Sep 2022 #4

My old high school offered Russian as a language choice. blue neen Sep 2022 #5

I Took It For 3 Years ProfessorGAC Sep 2022 #117

Why is Russian inappropriate? How is a language "inappropriate"? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #7

Why is it appropriate? honest.abe Sep 2022 #10

IMHO, we need people who are fluent in different languages blue neen Sep 2022 #12

In kindergarten?? honest.abe Sep 2022 #15

It's much easier to learn languages when one is young. blue neen Sep 2022 #21

By the time a kid from an English-language home is in kindergarten, they've been learning English WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #23

Its a total waste of time. honest.abe Sep 2022 #25

And I am not a professional soccer player Effete Snob Sep 2022 #30

How do you know that? blue neen Sep 2022 #42

He'll probably never learn enough math to be a nuclear physicist but that doesn't mean he shouldn't meadowlander Sep 2022 #52

Terrible analogy. honest.abe Sep 2022 #59

No, the point is the curriculum doesn't have to justify mastery level in a subject to teach meadowlander Sep 2022 #71

Wow, can't believe I'm reading this here. Treefrog Sep 2022 #158

I mean, can't you? Sympthsical Sep 2022 #171

Ha. You are absolutely right! Treefrog Sep 2022 #262

You said that so much more concisely than I did. n/t Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #267

я тоже не могу в это поверить Effete Snob Sep 2022 #291

Professional educators beleive it has a lot of benefits Effete Snob Sep 2022 #17

Because it's the best age to learn language, even more than one. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #18

He will never learn Russian to the point of being useful. honest.abe Sep 2022 #20

Well, not with that attitude he won't! WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #24

There are millions of new things he can learn that are more useful than Russian. honest.abe Sep 2022 #31

How are you quantifying "useful" here? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #36

If you don't understand this obvious point then I cant help you. honest.abe Sep 2022 #45

I'm just asking what you consider "useful" to be, as everyone has a different idea. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #92

For what it's worth... TheProle Sep 2022 #118

It's the process of learning which expands the development of the brain Effete Snob Sep 2022 #46

And you know this how?? Disaffected Sep 2022 #34

We certainly are not going to encourage him to learn Russian. honest.abe Sep 2022 #38

Does your wife speak Tagalog with him? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #43

Well I can't really argue with that. Disaffected Sep 2022 #54

That's not the point. Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #269

It could greatly enhance a military career. n/t Mr.Bill Sep 2022 #47

LOL! honest.abe Sep 2022 #50

Now, in 2022, Russian is inappropriate. Their music is great but their global influence now is awful Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #51

So you're going to dismiss an entire country because you don't like their current politics? Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #270

Wrong about "politics" and Florida school boards. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #293

More people speak Russian than German, and Russia is widely considered a more powerful country Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #312

You are missing the point and you are gauging thing pre-Putins-War. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #316

Global influence doesn't make a language "inappropriate." No language is "inappropriate." WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #276

Sorry, my wording was poor or I was space limited in the title. My meaning is Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #299

How is it useful? Russia is at war with Ukraine...and with us really...they interfered with our Demsrule86 Sep 2022 #217

And yet you can't figure out how it is useful? LisaL Sep 2022 #237

Well we definitely don't want to learn sarisataka Sep 2022 #243

lol seems to me you answered your own question WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #275

My EFL students take English and one other Tetrachloride Sep 2022 #13

This is an amusing thread nt sarisataka Sep 2022 #32

Poor kid. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #40

Forced to learn a FOREIGN language sarisataka Sep 2022 #63

I guess this is where I confess to being fluent in Russian, capable in three other languages, and WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #88

Cool. electric_blue68 Sep 2022 #146

I Am Very Envious RobinA Sep 2022 #207

Maybe prohibited from learning a foreign language. Mariana Sep 2022 #89

I know, right? blue neen Sep 2022 #76

What's the problem? DET Sep 2022 #49

Its a waste of time when my kid needs to learn so many other things. honest.abe Sep 2022 #53

Respect for other world cultures is a waste of time? He certainly doesn't seem to be picking it up meadowlander Sep 2022 #58

We are an international family and love learning about cultures. honest.abe Sep 2022 #62

How do you know he will never use it? LisaL Sep 2022 #70

Well we certain wont encourage him to learn it further. honest.abe Sep 2022 #78

Does your wife speak Tagalog with him? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #79

Yes. honest.abe Sep 2022 #80

If you want your kid to learn what you want him to learn, LisaL Sep 2022 #81

The school offers a lot of languages treestar Sep 2022 #296

So, what cultures do you consider to be worth learning about? Lancero Sep 2022 #182

We are talking languages not cultures. honest.abe Sep 2022 #196

First - that seems disingenuous (given some earlier comments) or, at best, ignorant. Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #271

So if he wants to take Latin in HS or college? treestar Sep 2022 #295

Kids that age are constantly learning. Everything they do is learning Bucky Sep 2022 #105

Kids are not like that treestar Sep 2022 #151

What fun! The kids won't become bilingual (unless they keep at it for years) but Croney Sep 2022 #60

Get it. (Not necessarily Russian, but any 2nd language will help your child, the younger the better) Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #64

My biggest complaint is the choice of Russian. honest.abe Sep 2022 #84

Yes. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #85

I stand by my comment. I refrained from saying what I'll say now: that your best allies ... Hekate Sep 2022 #106

Russian is spoken by more people than Italian, German, Arabic, Japanese, or Korean Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #272

Programming languages have aspects of language (expression) and math BadgerKid Sep 2022 #116

IMO in US one should learn Spanish treestar Sep 2022 #152

Agreed. Spanish is a much better choice at this time, but skip Russian and go to Chinese after. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #154

Russian and Slavic languages in general are very hard to learn. DBoon Sep 2022 #75

Did you call the principal? Did you call the School Board office? Did you ask the teacher? Hekate Sep 2022 #90

I did ask his teacher. honest.abe Sep 2022 #91

I find it very nice that individual parents aren't able to dictate the curriculum. LisaL Sep 2022 #94

Maybe some Russian parents did dictate the curriculum. honest.abe Sep 2022 #98

Russian parents could teach their kids Russian at home. LisaL Sep 2022 #102

Did anyone check recent contributions to the school? PlutosHeart Sep 2022 #107

Hundreds of millions of people use it. LisaL Sep 2022 #180

It is spoken by more people in the world Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #273

Arabic is on their list too treestar Sep 2022 #298

Language learning is easy when very young, & always good for the brain... Hekate Sep 2022 #97

Yes but.. honest.abe Sep 2022 #101

Perfect! Effete Snob Sep 2022 #292

Oh no! Horrors! VMA131Marine Sep 2022 #110

We learned German at that age and this was not that many decades post WWII. My WWII veteran hlthe2b Sep 2022 #112

I'll never object to any kid learning another language tishaLA Sep 2022 #114

What about your kids feelings? womanofthehills Sep 2022 #119

From the height of the Cold War TheProle Sep 2022 #123

There's nothing wrong with that. It's a difficult language Ocelot II Sep 2022 #126

TY electric_blue68 Sep 2022 #148

What an odd thing to get upset about hardluck Sep 2022 #137

I agree it is a language not a political indoctrination ripcord Sep 2022 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Sep 2022 #181

I don't understand the outrage. ForgedCrank Sep 2022 #144

Never underestimate how insidious they are sarisataka Sep 2022 #161

Wise move. Better safe than sorry. Chellee Sep 2022 #178

I am so disappointed, shocked even, at some of the responses in this thread. niyad Sep 2022 #149

You misunderstand then. W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #150

Oh, I do not misunderstand at all. Experience in other languages helps niyad Sep 2022 #157

So it has been said. W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #162

But it is an answer to that problem. Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #277

then what else? treestar Sep 2022 #300

They say that pre-K is vital to a child's development. W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #310

I learned first year Russian waaaaay back... electric_blue68 Sep 2022 #155

Why not? xmas74 Sep 2022 #156

In kindergarten they should be focusing on the basics. honest.abe Sep 2022 #164

There can be ForgedCrank Sep 2022 #168

I had Spanish in kindergarten. Nt xmas74 Sep 2022 #254

Should we stop teaching Russian literature as well? Zeitghost Sep 2022 #160

Ridiculous comment. honest.abe Sep 2022 #163

Any second language is a benefit to a growing mind Zeitghost Sep 2022 #213

Thanks for the personal insult. honest.abe Sep 2022 #218

You're negative reaction is based entirely Zeitghost Sep 2022 #238

Nyet. honest.abe Sep 2022 #241

Is that the only word in Russian that you know? LisaL Sep 2022 #245

You are on a roll!! honest.abe Sep 2022 #248

You came here for some Russian bashing Zeitghost Sep 2022 #251

I learned French starting in first grade Sympthsical Sep 2022 #169

What if they taught you Russian instead of French? honest.abe Sep 2022 #170

I would then know as much Russian today as I do French Sympthsical Sep 2022 #172

Most people would prefer learning French over Russian. honest.abe Sep 2022 #173

So this about grinding a cultural axe Sympthsical Sep 2022 #174

Not about culture. honest.abe Sep 2022 #175

French is just as practical Sympthsical Sep 2022 #177

Well it's not about you and your specific situation. honest.abe Sep 2022 #199

I feel sorry for your kid's teachers, considering you are LisaL Sep 2022 #179

We are not "bugging" his teacher. honest.abe Sep 2022 #201

You are worried about your child being behind sarisataka Sep 2022 #215

We are not going to opt out. honest.abe Sep 2022 #219

I would agree that logically sarisataka Sep 2022 #225

But it's not about practicality of the language Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #278

Russian is a great Language to learn. Imagine being able to read Tolstoy and many other Classics JI7 Sep 2022 #176

Dostoevski's "Notes from Underground" is one of my favorite novels. betsuni Sep 2022 #190

Russian was offered as a language mnhtnbb Sep 2022 #185

The local Chapel Hill Carrboro City Schools mnhtnbb Sep 2022 #186

Don't really see why this is a big deal. Kaleva Sep 2022 #188

I Kinda see the point Willto Sep 2022 #191

If it were up to me (and the OP will be very glad that it is not)................ DFW Sep 2022 #192

That would be great to learn multiple languages. honest.abe Sep 2022 #204

In some countries here, especially small ones, they start as soon as school starts DFW Sep 2022 #208

I totally get the idea of learning multiple languages is great. honest.abe Sep 2022 #210

1st grade vs pre is a tough call DFW Sep 2022 #214

This message was self-deleted by its author honest.abe Sep 2022 #194

PG County? msfiddlestix Sep 2022 #195

Prince George's county public school near DC. honest.abe Sep 2022 #197

Interestingly, I wondered if it was in close proximity to DC msfiddlestix Sep 2022 #200

No its not that. Its just a program to expose kids to new languages. honest.abe Sep 2022 #203

Make more sense if it were Spanish. Knowing how to Emile Sep 2022 #206

Yeah, we would have been very happy with Spanish. honest.abe Sep 2022 #209

That's fucking weird. Someone should look into it. Wingus Dingus Sep 2022 #221

That's exactly my point. So odd many here don't get it. honest.abe Sep 2022 #222

They're trying to "get" you by saying you think learning foreign languages is somehow Wingus Dingus Sep 2022 #223

The opposition to Russian is simply based on current events sarisataka Sep 2022 #240

Actually, it's based on GOP ties to Russia and their infiltration of our government. Wingus Dingus Sep 2022 #249

Is this a new program? sarisataka Sep 2022 #250

It's a little weird considering the complete and thorough GOP takeover Wingus Dingus Sep 2022 #252

My neighbor learned Mandarin. That is because one of the teachers moved here from China. Dysfunctional Sep 2022 #224

My niece was out into a Spanish immersion program in Kindergarten BannonsLiver Sep 2022 #226

I wish it was Spanish. honest.abe Sep 2022 #231

Learning foreign languages expands children's minds iemanja Sep 2022 #227

Good grief. This has nothing to do with "hating Russia". honest.abe Sep 2022 #229

I don't buy that iemanja Sep 2022 #230

LOL.. read minds?? honest.abe Sep 2022 #232

You made it clear that you hate the Russian language. LisaL Sep 2022 #234

What on earth are you talking about?? honest.abe Sep 2022 #244

Really? LisaL Sep 2022 #246

No, I read your post iemanja Sep 2022 #235

That comment was in haste and dumb now that I am somewhat over the outrage. honest.abe Sep 2022 #242

Well, clearly. LisaL Sep 2022 #233

I don't agree kcr Sep 2022 #236

Yes, some people here are proud of their LisaL Sep 2022 #239

+1 Celerity Sep 2022 #247

I think this is fantastic! Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #253

It's always good to know a second language. gldstwmn Sep 2022 #258

This message was self-deleted by its author Initech Sep 2022 #265

More Simple Explanation Deep State Witch Sep 2022 #268

As a final note to this loooong thread.. honest.abe Sep 2022 #282

Good luck 😀 Meowmee Sep 2022 #304

Thank you. honest.abe Sep 2022 #305

Yes I would choose Spanish Meowmee Sep 2022 #308

Best time to learn. whistler162 Sep 2022 #297

V chem problema? jmowreader Sep 2022 #301

Jesus fucking christ Blecht Sep 2022 #302

Read my comments in this thread. honest.abe Sep 2022 #303

. Effete Snob Sep 2022 #320