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ProSense

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42. Actually,

Sun Jan 15, 2012, 02:22 PM

Jan 2012

"Well . . . actually, the Iraqis did that when they put an end to exempting occupying soldiers from Iraqi law.

On edit--that doesn't take away from Obama's other achievements, but let's not be FReeps, facts should still matter to us."

The massive troop withdrawal was handled by this President

Iraq asked:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/whitehouse/obama-may-face-tough-decision-as-iraqi-leader-signals-u-s-troops-could-stay-20110512

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/11/2449098/iraq-says-its-asked-for-5000-us.html

Immunity was the sticking point.

What would McCain do?

McCain blasts drawdown plans during visit to Afghanistan
http://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/afghanistan/mccain-blasts-drawdown-plans-during-visit-to-afghanistan-1.148326

McCain Envisions ‘Scorn and Disdain’ for Obama on Iraq
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/mccain-envisions-scorn-and-disdain-for-obama-on-iraq/

"but let's not be FReeps, facts should still matter to us"

Yes, they do: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002166725

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If only the rest of the population got to see this! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #3

Thanks. Scurrilous Jan 2012 #2

That is very funny! treestar Jan 2012 #4

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Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad JoePhilly Jan 2012 #7

Not very good, either. leveymg Jan 2012 #11

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Why are you harping on this? Fact remains, unemployment IS higher than when he took office. leveymg Jan 2012 #58

So of 6 items ... you were wrong on one ... JoePhilly Jan 2012 #61

I was right, but was off by about a percent in my estimate of how much higher the U3 rate is now leveymg Jan 2012 #62

Again, you cling to Jan 2009. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #63

And it was headed for 12-14% if not for OBAMA. So please, get into reality. RBInMaine Jan 2012 #77

Your speculation may be right, but it isn't reality leveymg Jan 2012 #83

Hmmm? ProSense Jan 2012 #13

A couple gross errors of logic stand out in your argument in particular leveymg Jan 2012 #16

Hmmmm? ProSense Jan 2012 #18

Good thinking - Escalate, draw down here to reposition troops there, start new wars - War is Peace. leveymg Jan 2012 #19

He did say he would escalate the Afghan war while he was a candidate. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #20

He didn't say we'd be committing open campaigns of terrorism in Iran. leveymg Jan 2012 #23

Switch topic much? JoePhilly Jan 2012 #27

I am not the master of that dance step here. leveymg Jan 2012 #38

No ProSense Jan 2012 #24

Huh? leveymg Jan 2012 #40

I appreciate the effort to try to communicate with anyone that thinks that Number23 Jan 2012 #66

Hyperbolic foolishness and purist nonsense, ONCE AGAIN. "Started five wars." Oh give us a break. RBInMaine Jan 2012 #76

Started five other wars?? DCBob Jan 2012 #84

Would you prefer to go back to the Bush era economy with low unemployment? DCBob Jan 2012 #85

"progressive heroes that we are" hfojvt Jan 2012 #6

Um ProSense Jan 2012 #8

Please, put your expectations into reality. This incessant whining about Obama is very, very old. RBInMaine Jan 2012 #79

The only reason any of that stuff got passed was because the PL held Obama's feet to the fire! msanthrope Jan 2012 #9

.......... young but wise Jan 2012 #50

The GOP hates every one of these accomplishments more than they like breathing NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #10

Just like Bush!1! JNelson6563 Jan 2012 #12

Can we get 3 or 4 more OPs that post hootinholler Jan 2012 #14

Since ProSense Jan 2012 #15

I'm noticing a pattern to your replies to me hootinholler Jan 2012 #31

That pattern progressoid Jan 2012 #64

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Why ProSense Jan 2012 #69

That's embarrassing ...and hilarious. nt Bonobo Jan 2012 #70

No ProSense Jan 2012 #71

I've embarrassed myself before here hootinholler Jan 2012 #73

Make you a deal. When people stop posting bullshit criticisms, I'll join you in asking folks to stop stevenleser Jan 2012 #17

Where's the bullshit, other than your critique of the critics? leveymg Jan 2012 #21

ProSense has already quite aptly pointed them all out. Just read her responses to you. nt stevenleser Jan 2012 #25

She refuses to address the main points and goes off on tangents. leveymg Jan 2012 #33

A good example of BS can be found in the edit history of your response to me up thread. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #32

I acknowledged that I was off by one percentage point in the BLS stats. leveymg Jan 2012 #35

Bullshit, similar to beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder hootinholler Jan 2012 #34

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I ProSense Jan 2012 #26

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President progressoid Jan 2012 #65

Damn President Obama's horrible right-wing plot against progressive issues!!! Aristus Jan 2012 #30

"Ending the Iraq War" mistertrickster Jan 2012 #36

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I'm very impressed with all this sourcing . . . mistertrickster Jan 2012 #43

Thanks, and ProSense Jan 2012 #45

I'm not into games. What I see is exactly what I wrote. mistertrickster Jan 2012 #56

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Okay, back at ya: mistertrickster Jan 2012 #86

I don't believe it. Rex Jan 2012 #37

Once again, the people with the weakest Dem values act condescending... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #39

What do you consider strong "Dem values"? leveymg Jan 2012 #41

You have to ask?? ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #46

No, I want to know what yours are: leveymg Jan 2012 #48

Here's a good template... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #51

Means and ends. Not the same thing. leveymg Jan 2012 #53

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I don't see anything Rape-Publican or condescending about it. ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #49

Pot kettle, dude. And right backatcha. Nt DevonRex Jan 2012 #52

All condescension and no content. Thank you for proving the point... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #54

Pot, kettle. And right backatcha again. Nt DevonRex Jan 2012 #57

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As usual the non-reality purist Obama bashers are here. Yawn... RBInMaine Jan 2012 #78

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