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zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
Thu Sep 22, 2022, 08:07 PM Sep 2022

I've lost 30% [View all]

Look, I'm in the top 20% of incomes. The events that DO affect me is that in the last year I've lost 30% of my investments. I'm not looking for sympathy because of course in the 20 - 21 time frame I doubled my investments despite any real effort or strategy on my part.

My real point is this. I don't "blame" Biden for this. My investments rise and fall on the benefits of many people. What I achieve and don't isn't about me, it's about whether we are ALL doing well. I'm willing to understand that in really good times , I benefit from the overall improvement in what we call "our economy". But I also understand that when it "goes down" it is because I'm part of an economy that effects us all and I may "suffer" a greater impact in certain situations than others, and also benefit disproportionately on the up side.

My basic point is this, I don't care politically about the DOW. I don't care about NASDAQ (despite how much it influences my own "wealth&quot . What I care about, despite my personal situation, is how many people are on WIC. How many need free lunches at school. I see people at corners asking for money and food. Yeah, I know, but some of them really need help, just not necessarily money. So I carry food bags of edibles of chicken, tuna, peanut butter, fruit, etc. I'm the classic democrat in which I'm more concerned every day if someone is not getting what they need, than what the basic republicans wakes up every day concerned about is that someone, somewhere is getting something they don't deserve

We need to stop worrying about "me", i.e. the top 20%. We need to worry about those that are having trouble balancing their check book. You want to worry about who will benefit, help the bottom 20% and you'll help the top 20%. Call it "trickle up" or whatever you want, but when we all do better, we ALL do better. Raise taxes on me, I should have been paying Social Security taxes for the whole year, for the last 10 years of my career, not just until October when I hit the "maximum". It was a joke.

A basic measure of any economic measure at the governmental level should be this, will it help the bottom 20%. If it does, it will help everyone. The rest of us will accommodate whatever situation that creates. But trickle DOWN has been demonstrated to never work. Trickle up on the other hand has always benefited my investments.

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I've lost 30% [View all] zipplewrath Sep 2022 OP
I lost a lot too but then I look at what my house is going for and it's kind of Maraya1969 Sep 2022 #1
Yes, a society is judged on how they treat the less fortunate among us Walleye Sep 2022 #2
I also know the market can go up True Blue American Sep 2022 #12
I have learned not to panic over the stock market. Walleye Sep 2022 #13
Republicans are threatening to gut it all if they win. True Blue American Sep 2022 #20
Last year I gained about 10% viva la Sep 2022 #3
I have posted before: ret5hd Sep 2022 #4
I have always been told maxrandb Sep 2022 #5
Exactly. nt TeamProg Sep 2022 #7
Until you hit age 70 and a half, soldierant Sep 2022 #27
30% ?! Yikes. Something is wrong. If you invested any time before the last two years you should TeamProg Sep 2022 #6
This zipplewrath Sep 2022 #11
The Dow topped at 36,000 edhopper Sep 2022 #24
Agrressively invested zipplewrath Sep 2022 #29
I see edhopper Sep 2022 #34
Much like the opposite. True Blue American Sep 2022 #15
The value of my investments are probably down 20% too. But since I haven't sold them I doc03 Sep 2022 #8
I understand. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2022 #9
We always looked forward to that max out time. As if you got a raise. True Blue American Sep 2022 #18
Over time, the Dow gains 10%. Sometimes more, sometimes less, sometimes a negative number. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2022 #30
I just left Spectrum True Blue American Sep 2022 #31
Good post. Got out when Orange Chosen One was threatening "fire and fury". It's legalized gambling Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #10
No, it is not "gambling".... brooklynite Sep 2022 #17
I think 1929 would dispute that Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #38
I lost nothing. You only lose if you have to sell at a loss JohnSJ Sep 2022 #14
I watched many get scared True Blue American Sep 2022 #19
A good number of people panic and do that. Some have to because they need the money JohnSJ Sep 2022 #22
I have too, BUT... brooklynite Sep 2022 #16
Now in my 70s and find that I'm multigraincracker Sep 2022 #21
I am in the same place as you are. llmart Sep 2022 #25
Your edhopper Sep 2022 #23
My portfolio is down 17% over the last 2years. That just means prices are going down before the next Bucky Sep 2022 #26
"Trickle up" is actually called the multiplier effect Warpy Sep 2022 #28
If you do not have the money, do not buy. True Blue American Sep 2022 #32
Oh, hell, just invest in a paperback cookbook and learn how to cook Warpy Sep 2022 #36
I have done scratch cooking True Blue American Sep 2022 #39
My own mother hated cooking and it showed Warpy Sep 2022 #40
Sorry my post was messed up. True Blue American Sep 2022 #42
speculation is speculation because its speculative. if you invest, invest long term & leave it alone FreepFryer Sep 2022 #33
I've lost nothing Johnny2X2X Sep 2022 #35
I have been out of the market for a long time. Dysfunctional Sep 2022 #37
I just did the math, I am down 23% but RazzleCat Sep 2022 #41
Yes, sounds like a lot of profit True Blue American Sep 2022 #43
To be prepared to lose up to 50% at any given time PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2022 #44
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