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William Seger

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26. I'd say that's tribalism rather than populism

Thu Sep 29, 2022, 02:10 PM

Sep 2022

In my definition, real populism simply sees politics as a struggle between the common people and the rich and powerful elites. The pseudo-populism preferred by right-wing demagogues casts life as a struggle between people like you and everyone else.

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"The bait is most often hatred of "The Other" Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #17

I'd say that's tribalism rather than populism William Seger Sep 2022 #26

No, hated of "The Other" is the essential feature of populism. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #27

Well, I disagree with your definition and your history William Seger Sep 2022 #36

The Populist Party was largely anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, nativist, and for these reasons Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #61

So, you're just denying that what I want to call populism ever existed? William Seger Sep 2022 #63

Not at all. Populism has existed in modern times and in antiquity (going back to the Romans). Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #65

As I started this with, you're talking about what I call tribalism William Seger Sep 2022 #69

Populism is inherently a form of tribalism. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #70

I never claimed the Populist Party was "progressive" William Seger Sep 2022 #71

Typically populist parties are based around racial and ethnic chauvinism and xenophobia. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #72

Yours is "the understanding of populism that is predominant in political science studies?" William Seger Oct 2022 #73

. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #49

Huh? William Seger Sep 2022 #50

There is no difference between seeing politics as "a struggle between the common people and the rich WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #51

Well, beating the word into meaninglessness is what I'm objecting to William Seger Sep 2022 #53

Okay but that's all populism is -- believing that there's an in group that is made up of the "real" WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #54

Saying populism is an instance of (whatever) William Seger Sep 2022 #55

If you're saying fascism is not populism, you're right. It's certainly a populist ideology, however. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #56

By my definition, it certainly is not William Seger Sep 2022 #57

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40 years of El Rushbo and the dozens that followed his model. All over Armed Forces radio as well. Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #34

Or something close to the Fairness Doctrine that will cover cable and satellite. hadEnuf Sep 2022 #39

or Nazi Germany. We're like slow-walking ("creeping") into this, and as Carlin would say: "Nobody Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #46

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Ignorance Cyrano Sep 2022 #41

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Maybe we should build a wall Cyrano Sep 2022 #43

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