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Just A Box Of Rain

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62. "...the embrace of populism weakens leftist movements....
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 12:43 AM
Sep 2022

(because it excludes people) and strengthens rightwing movements (because it excludes people)."

I'd argue it is much worse than that.

As you rightly suggest, Populism is an ideology that requires an "in-group", aka "the people," and an out-group, who are essentially sub-human.

In almost every instance where populist movements take power, those regiemes, which are virtually always lead by demagogic autocrats and totalitarians--as that's the nature of Populism--those in the "out-groups" are subject to attest, imprisonment, torture, and (all to frequently) political mass murder.

Populism has an extremely bloody history as an umbrella ideology. Just look at the death toll of Populist regiemes in the past 100 years or so and consider the lack of respect they have had for human rights, political freedom, and liberal democracy.

In fact, I'd argue that liberal democracy faces no greater threat than that posed by Populism.

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We have to be willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to be free. TheRealNorth Sep 2022 #2
People MELT DOWN if... NCDem47 Sep 2022 #5
And Fascism can establish itself because for these apolitical folks nothing changes on the surface LiberalLovinLug Sep 2022 #29
There's a reason entertainers get paid more than teachers! dickthegrouch Sep 2022 #52
Very well said. nt MrsCheaplaugh Sep 2022 #59
Key word- Sacrifice The Grand Illuminist Oct 2022 #75
"I don't understand why so many are attracted to fascism." WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #3
And because democracy is incompatible with white supremacy. Solomon Sep 2022 #40
The old "we hate the same people & things you hate." calimary Sep 2022 #48
Just like the hatred of poor people by the rich newdayneeded Sep 2022 #66
Americans voted away a major threat that other nations fell to in the 1930s. Hortensis Sep 2022 #4
If Germany, Japan and Italy had today's TV and the web Cyrano Sep 2022 #9
By sapping belief in some that we had anything worth saving Hortensis Sep 2022 #28
there is a kind of psychological abuse GenXer47 Sep 2022 #6
Chile? Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #7
Yes, Chile. Link Cyrano Sep 2022 #8
A nearly year-old link and Jose Antonio Kast was soundly defeated by Gabriel Boric. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #11
In Argentina though, the far right is poised to win next year's election peppertree Sep 2022 #21
Yes, but Argentina isn't Chile. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #24
Sure - it's just that Cyrano mentioned Argentina in the lede peppertree Sep 2022 #60
Fascism arises from chaos and Covid certainly caused plenty of that RAB910 Sep 2022 #10
Covid, Trump and Fox. A toxic mix. Cyrano Sep 2022 #12
Propaganda is a fascist's best friend and at least in the US, right-wing propaganda is too powerful RAB910 Sep 2022 #14
Here's the thing: my relatives remain afraid of so-called "socialism" CousinIT Sep 2022 #13
Socialism and who's using which bathroom. hay rick Sep 2022 #16
Or the Battle between Dark Hearted Souls and Light hearted Souls continues to rage on Heather MC Sep 2022 #15
"The bait is most often hatred of "The Other" Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #17
I'd say that's tribalism rather than populism William Seger Sep 2022 #26
No, hated of "The Other" is the essential feature of populism. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #27
Well, I disagree with your definition and your history William Seger Sep 2022 #36
The Populist Party was largely anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, nativist, and for these reasons Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #61
So, you're just denying that what I want to call populism ever existed? William Seger Sep 2022 #63
Not at all. Populism has existed in modern times and in antiquity (going back to the Romans). Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #65
As I started this with, you're talking about what I call tribalism William Seger Sep 2022 #69
Populism is inherently a form of tribalism. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #70
I never claimed the Populist Party was "progressive" William Seger Sep 2022 #71
Typically populist parties are based around racial and ethnic chauvinism and xenophobia. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #72
Yours is "the understanding of populism that is predominant in political science studies?" William Seger Oct 2022 #73
. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #49
Huh? William Seger Sep 2022 #50
There is no difference between seeing politics as "a struggle between the common people and the rich WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #51
Well, beating the word into meaninglessness is what I'm objecting to William Seger Sep 2022 #53
Okay but that's all populism is -- believing that there's an in group that is made up of the "real" WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #54
Saying populism is an instance of (whatever) William Seger Sep 2022 #55
If you're saying fascism is not populism, you're right. It's certainly a populist ideology, however. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #56
By my definition, it certainly is not William Seger Sep 2022 #57
. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #58
"...the embrace of populism weakens leftist movements.... Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #62
Yep, you're right. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #64
Fascism will always be an existential threat to humanity. Yavin4 Sep 2022 #18
During the dark days of the Trump presidency, I could see the international trend to fascism... Hekate Sep 2022 #19
I believe that we are the last, best hope of democracy Cyrano Sep 2022 #22
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has to do with NJCher Sep 2022 #20
It's unbelievable Rebl2 Sep 2022 #23
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I fear fascism also but... llashram Sep 2022 #30
Never underestimate the power of propaganda. hadEnuf Sep 2022 #32
40 years of El Rushbo and the dozens that followed his model. All over Armed Forces radio as well. Evolve Dammit Sep 2022 #34
Or something close to the Fairness Doctrine that will cover cable and satellite. hadEnuf Sep 2022 #39
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"Big data is making the Id into an Ego to be exploited psychopolitically." Ponietz Sep 2022 #35
I never thought people would VOTE for Fascism. milestogo Sep 2022 #37
Ignorance Cyrano Sep 2022 #41
K & R. About the word: "Fascism": Most people do not know what it is. Stuart G Sep 2022 #38
Very well stated. scipan Sep 2022 #42
Maybe we should build a wall Cyrano Sep 2022 #43
Are you being snarky? scipan Sep 2022 #44
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Historically, fascism had been defeated by killing them. I'm not going to do that. Kaleva Sep 2022 #47
It's not the "MANY" who are "attracted to fascism". It's the FEW who have power.... TigressDem Sep 2022 #67
The Twilight Zone : "I am the Night - Color Me Black" bullwinkle428 Sep 2022 #68
The radicalized Republican party wants permanent, total control. Democracy is in their way. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #74
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