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grantcart

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14. By violating the Budapest Memorandum we will forever kill non proliferation

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 01:57 PM

Sep 2022

He isn't an asshole but a gadfly completely ignorant of US assurances to countries who give up nuclear weapons.

Ukraine was the third largest nuclear power in the world when they agreed to give it all up for a US promise to assist Ukraine if they were invaded with the the Budapest Memorandum.

Turning our back on Ukraine means the end of non proliferation and a much much greater probability of nuclear war.

Chris Hayes grasp of world history is at the high school level.

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Chris Hayes "sue for peace" comment: [View all] ColinC Sep 2022 OP

Let me guess. This guy is just another well-paid uninformed talking head. PSPS Sep 2022 #1

Most are. ColinC Sep 2022 #2

Sounds like a good idea, elleng Sep 2022 #3

Do you not know who Chris Hayes is? maxsolomon Sep 2022 #11

Didn't he and Tina Turner have a singing duo? JohnSJ Sep 2022 #17

Are you confusing Isaac Hayes with Ike Turner? Doc Sportello Sep 2022 #22

What is your background? USALiberal Sep 2022 #18

What is HIS "background?" According to other replies, it seems to be only that he's "on the tee-vee" PSPS Sep 2022 #38

Or random web posters! USALiberal Sep 2022 #39

Exactly! Except "random web posters" don't get makeup and big $$ for spouting their random opinions! PSPS Sep 2022 #40

No, still seems like a total a-hole to me. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #4

Agreed Ritabert Sep 2022 #13

I think he doesn't understand the total picture. Ukraine is defending itself from an unprovoked JohnSJ Sep 2022 #19

Don't Forget That He's The Guy Who Twice Accused PJB Of Assaulting A Woman Me. Sep 2022 #20

Right. I have not forgotten. Nor should anyone. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #24

Thank-you. I forgot about that. I am not a fan, and I also think he is boring JohnSJ Sep 2022 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Sep 2022 #29

And the one that gave air time to Susan Sarandon... W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #30

+1. No one should forget that episode dalton99a Sep 2022 #36

One big, Huh? KPN Sep 2022 #5

He seems to be disregarding certain other consequences of Tomconroy Sep 2022 #6

The term "sue for peace" is positively Orwellian in this instance. Just A Box Of Rain Sep 2022 #7

Hmm... Mike Nelson Sep 2022 #8

He's discussing how the US could lower the Nuclear Threat level maxsolomon Sep 2022 #9

By violating the Budapest Memorandum we will forever kill non proliferation grantcart Sep 2022 #14

I think he's saying it's a bad course of action. I appear to be in the minority on DU. maxsolomon Sep 2022 #37

yeah, I agree with your reading -- he isn't advocating this course of action fishwax Sep 2022 #23

Oh for fucks sake grantcart Sep 2022 #10

Thank you..just f..king infuriating! PortTack Sep 2022 #34

+1 betsuni Sep 2022 #42

see post 35 Celerity Sep 2022 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Sep 2022 #45

What part of, I think probably the best answer is ... Xoan Sep 2022 #12

The part that comes directly after that, then the other tweet. Caliman73 Sep 2022 #21

Putin will not stop. If we, they sue for peace cruelly take away Ukraine's ability to defend itself PortTack Sep 2022 #33

I don't even think he's saying "this is a possible solution, and the one I favor" fishwax Sep 2022 #35

exactly! Celerity Sep 2022 #43

Masha Gessen put a scare into him about nukes the other night BeyondGeography Sep 2022 #15

Anthony Blinken said it best. nycbos Sep 2022 #16

This!!! Tv talking heads, including Chris Hayes, should not try to be diplomats karynnj Sep 2022 #27

It still seems like a naive at best... W_HAMILTON Sep 2022 #25

A round of applause for Neville Chamberlain, everybody JHB Sep 2022 #28

Unfortunately 90% of people out there won't get this reference nycbos Sep 2022 #41

The same pretentious asshole who tried to catapult the propaganda against Biden dalton99a Sep 2022 #31

And Yet He Pushed This Fake Charge Twice Me. Sep 2022 #32

Nah, he sucks budkin Sep 2022 #46

Ross Barkan (NOT Hayes) is the one who has said over and to sue for peace. So many here are Celerity Sep 2022 #47

I'm not opposed to negotiations. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2022 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Sep 2022 #48

Horrible take DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2022 #49

Hayes is not the one arguing for 'suing for peace', Barkan is (and has) Celerity Sep 2022 #50

I don't agree mcar Sep 2022 #51