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Happy Hoosier

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38. To the point that...

Sat Oct 1, 2022, 05:54 PM

Oct 2022

They are shipping off old men and boys with almost no gear and less training.

Given your studies, is that a strategic choice anyone would make? They can’t win with such a force. I know it, you know it, and I expect they know it. They are hoping the resolve of the West breaks before their inevitable defeat, I think.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m shocked. Although I have long believed we overestimated Russia, I am stunned by their underperformance. I thought they’d roll over Ukraine in a month. Nope!

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I don't get the Russian strategy (or lack thereof). [View all] WarGamer Oct 2022 OP

We've disagreed a bit in this... let me ask you this? Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #1

Here's an example. WarGamer Oct 2022 #3

They've attempted to destroy a number of them... Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #14

Part of me thinks there is some political reason... WarGamer Oct 2022 #16

A very large part of why they're so inept, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #29

Rampant alcoholism and poverty BlueIdaho Oct 2022 #54

That too. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #55

To the point that... Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #38

Oh yes 100% WarGamer Oct 2022 #40

I mean qazplm135 Oct 2022 #20

Agreed. True Dough Oct 2022 #5

Yes, elleng Oct 2022 #8

Definitely, but to a point where they don't completely lose the plot OnDoutside Oct 2022 #57

I'm not at all convinced that the Russians can do these things. CanonRay Oct 2022 #53

Not an expert stevil Oct 2022 #2

true... but they're stuck now. WarGamer Oct 2022 #4

Yup. stevil Oct 2022 #28

IKR? MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #36

Putin didn't want a full-scale war, just a "special military operation"... brush Oct 2022 #6

But now he's stuck. WarGamer Oct 2022 #9

Yes. They're losing, and now with Putin's micro-managing... brush Oct 2022 #13

I think their stockpiles of missiles etc are thinner than expected/believed. RockRaven Oct 2022 #7

That'd be incredible. WarGamer Oct 2022 #10

this Military Economist from Australia explains a lot.. Good stuff...but long mitch96 Oct 2022 #17

i'll watch i ttonight... thanks!! WarGamer Oct 2022 #18

someone did a deep dive including buying satellite imagery qazplm135 Oct 2022 #22

Occam's Razor I guess... WarGamer Oct 2022 #23

Indeed. Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #39

+1, uponit7771 Oct 2022 #58

Unfortunately they have a large stockpile of S300 SAM missile, like 7,000 EX500rider Oct 2022 #66

Doesn't help when their military leaders are more loyal to Putin then they are competent. Kaleva Oct 2022 #11

I too have studied war history. Chainfire Oct 2022 #12

Yes and Putin just made the argument that the US legitimized the use of them in WW2. WarGamer Oct 2022 #15

He certainly has a point. Chainfire Oct 2022 #24

But I'm trying to figure out how a tactical nuke helps Russia... WarGamer Oct 2022 #25

I agree.. Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #41

We did it on a nation that had enslaved and murdered millions of civilians CentralMass Oct 2022 #30

But, we did it. Because we did it, now it gets thrown back in our faces. Whadda you expect? Chainfire Oct 2022 #50

Trying to draw a corollary between the US using nuclear weapons against one of the most brutal CentralMass Oct 2022 #61

I agree Willto Oct 2022 #63

+1, I don't see how false equivalencies help uponit7771 Oct 2022 #59

As my Uncle stood on the bridge of a ship that would take them to the invasion of Japan...after Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #46

That is certainly how it is described in our history books. Chainfire Oct 2022 #52

Starving Japan into submission rather then dropping the bomb... EX500rider Oct 2022 #60

So you have to understand the mindset at the start qazplm135 Oct 2022 #19

I caught a lot of grief here pre-war... WarGamer Oct 2022 #21

He was KGB and wants to put back the old USSR...old men dream of past glory. Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #47

The ONLY reason i can think of, is maybe pooty wants to go nuclear? (this after he fucked up) bluestarone Oct 2022 #26

We would destroy them. There would be no other option. Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #48

Not to sure if we would choose that option bluestarone Oct 2022 #51

I believe what so perplexes us non-Russians in analyzing Russia's blunders has to do with Beastly Boy Oct 2022 #27

+1000, great points WarGamer Oct 2022 #33

One explanation: Putin is in charge. He is not a military genius. He is a psychopath and ex-KGB. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #31

great post, tyvm! WarGamer Oct 2022 #34

YW. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #43

Good points The Bopper Oct 2022 #32

Some of our so-called experts Mr.Bill Oct 2022 #35

They probably did have everything they needed Kaleva Oct 2022 #42

Everything but able personnel. n/t Mr.Bill Oct 2022 #49

Yes Kaleva Oct 2022 #62

Russian strategy is to yell Nukes! In a crowded world. 48656c6c6f20 Oct 2022 #37

When was the last time Russia fought a war on a scale like this? Yavin4 Oct 2022 #44

+1000 nt WarGamer Oct 2022 #45

Because that would be an escalation. Xolodno Oct 2022 #56

Nope Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #64

A Follow-up on our conversation.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #65