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Xolodno

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56. Because that would be an escalation.
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 07:16 PM
Oct 2022

If they escalate, then NATO will do so as well. It's a proxy war being fought, so a difficult balance is being held. Add to that, most of the productive areas of Ukraine are now under occupation of the Russian armed forces, even with the recent defeats, they are morale builders for Ukraine but don't have much value. It's not a full declaration of war....at least not yet and let's hope it never gets there. But most of Ukraine's main economic hubs are gone.

Furthermore, the whole notion Russia is out of tanks is bonkers. Putin attacked with the forces of one military district and only one and was designed for defense, not offense. The remaining four have to be maintained with its equipment and troops in case of the possibility of someone taking advantage of depleted forces near their border...and they have a huge fucking border. They also keep the bulk of their conventional forces and production closer in, it's what saved them in WW2.

With that said, I've seen some twitter feeds where they are moving equipment from other military districts to areas near Ukraine. And the troops in those districts will probably be rotated in. The mobilized troops will probably take their places and moth balled equipment will replace the transferred equipment. But at different rates, for example 50k troops will be replaced by 80k mobilized.

Just about every US General said they attacked with not enough equipment and troops. But that may change soon.

Finally, we are here in an echo chamber, so it's very one sided (hey, some think they know better than our current DOJ). But recent polls here in the USA show that people are tiring of the war and want to see a negotiated settlement. Likewise, energy prices in Europe are skyrocketing which is sapping the populace there. And nations that took in refugee's are starting to resent it. And we have a global recession on its way...it's not here yet, but it is coming. This is what Putin is waiting for, the taste for war to leave everyone's mouth and force a North/South Korea type of settlement. His speech the other day made clear what Macron and Blair warned about a while back, Russia is basically divorcing Europe and embracing Asia.

Nor is this one theatre of operations, both China and Russia have been active in Africa, Asia, the Pacific, South and Central America. All of the West and aligned West nations oppose this war, the rest of the world is basically "whatever" and give the token admonishment.

Some even see this as NATO's play to look strong again after the disastrous pull out of Afghanistan and ongoing problems in Libya. And those more cynical....ah, I won't say it, said plenty to get flamed already. And I'm getting tired of trying to act logical vs. those emotional.

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We've disagreed a bit in this... let me ask you this? Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #1
Here's an example. WarGamer Oct 2022 #3
They've attempted to destroy a number of them... Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #14
Part of me thinks there is some political reason... WarGamer Oct 2022 #16
A very large part of why they're so inept, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #29
Rampant alcoholism and poverty BlueIdaho Oct 2022 #54
That too. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #55
To the point that... Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #38
Oh yes 100% WarGamer Oct 2022 #40
I mean qazplm135 Oct 2022 #20
Agreed. True Dough Oct 2022 #5
Yes, elleng Oct 2022 #8
Definitely, but to a point where they don't completely lose the plot OnDoutside Oct 2022 #57
I'm not at all convinced that the Russians can do these things. CanonRay Oct 2022 #53
Not an expert stevil Oct 2022 #2
true... but they're stuck now. WarGamer Oct 2022 #4
Yup. stevil Oct 2022 #28
IKR? MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #36
Putin didn't want a full-scale war, just a "special military operation"... brush Oct 2022 #6
But now he's stuck. WarGamer Oct 2022 #9
Yes. They're losing, and now with Putin's micro-managing... brush Oct 2022 #13
I think their stockpiles of missiles etc are thinner than expected/believed. RockRaven Oct 2022 #7
That'd be incredible. WarGamer Oct 2022 #10
this Military Economist from Australia explains a lot.. Good stuff...but long mitch96 Oct 2022 #17
i'll watch i ttonight... thanks!! WarGamer Oct 2022 #18
someone did a deep dive including buying satellite imagery qazplm135 Oct 2022 #22
Occam's Razor I guess... WarGamer Oct 2022 #23
Indeed. Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #39
+1, uponit7771 Oct 2022 #58
Unfortunately they have a large stockpile of S300 SAM missile, like 7,000 EX500rider Oct 2022 #66
Doesn't help when their military leaders are more loyal to Putin then they are competent. Kaleva Oct 2022 #11
I too have studied war history. Chainfire Oct 2022 #12
Yes and Putin just made the argument that the US legitimized the use of them in WW2. WarGamer Oct 2022 #15
He certainly has a point. Chainfire Oct 2022 #24
But I'm trying to figure out how a tactical nuke helps Russia... WarGamer Oct 2022 #25
I agree.. Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #41
We did it on a nation that had enslaved and murdered millions of civilians CentralMass Oct 2022 #30
But, we did it. Because we did it, now it gets thrown back in our faces. Whadda you expect? Chainfire Oct 2022 #50
Trying to draw a corollary between the US using nuclear weapons against one of the most brutal CentralMass Oct 2022 #61
I agree Willto Oct 2022 #63
+1, I don't see how false equivalencies help uponit7771 Oct 2022 #59
As my Uncle stood on the bridge of a ship that would take them to the invasion of Japan...after Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #46
That is certainly how it is described in our history books. Chainfire Oct 2022 #52
Starving Japan into submission rather then dropping the bomb... EX500rider Oct 2022 #60
So you have to understand the mindset at the start qazplm135 Oct 2022 #19
I caught a lot of grief here pre-war... WarGamer Oct 2022 #21
He was KGB and wants to put back the old USSR...old men dream of past glory. Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #47
The ONLY reason i can think of, is maybe pooty wants to go nuclear? (this after he fucked up) bluestarone Oct 2022 #26
We would destroy them. There would be no other option. Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #48
Not to sure if we would choose that option bluestarone Oct 2022 #51
I believe what so perplexes us non-Russians in analyzing Russia's blunders has to do with Beastly Boy Oct 2022 #27
+1000, great points WarGamer Oct 2022 #33
One explanation: Putin is in charge. He is not a military genius. He is a psychopath and ex-KGB. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #31
great post, tyvm! WarGamer Oct 2022 #34
YW. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #43
Good points The Bopper Oct 2022 #32
Some of our so-called experts Mr.Bill Oct 2022 #35
They probably did have everything they needed Kaleva Oct 2022 #42
Everything but able personnel. n/t Mr.Bill Oct 2022 #49
Yes Kaleva Oct 2022 #62
Russian strategy is to yell Nukes! In a crowded world. 48656c6c6f20 Oct 2022 #37
When was the last time Russia fought a war on a scale like this? Yavin4 Oct 2022 #44
+1000 nt WarGamer Oct 2022 #45
Because that would be an escalation. Xolodno Oct 2022 #56
Nope Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #64
A Follow-up on our conversation.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #65
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