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thomski64

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41. A declaration of war..

Mon Oct 3, 2022, 09:32 AM

Oct 2022

..would then leave the Tucker Carlsons of the media in actual legal treason territory. Not that they aren't already... Also, too one of those fan blade
cruise missiles into Putin's dacha, would be an
appropriate jesture..

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What David Patreus said about Russia using nuclear weapons in Ukraine. [View all] speak easy Oct 2022 OP

This is scary to contemplate. brer cat Oct 2022 #1

I've heard a number of commentators talking about sinking Russia's Black Sea Fleet. speak easy Oct 2022 #2

It would be an attack on Russian territory, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #18

A declaration of war.. thomski64 Oct 2022 #41

No, they would not be in legal treason territory. Mariana Oct 2022 #122

NATO..... Lovie777 Oct 2022 #3

What Patraeus didn't add to his thoughts PJMcK Oct 2022 #4

That's the point of the message by Petraeus. Use nukes and it will not go well for Russia. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #7

"If he loses this war ...... he's in big trouble with his supporters" 70sEraVet Oct 2022 #25

Well right now, those "supporters" aren't very happy with how things are going Texin Oct 2022 #50

This right here! Yorkie Mom Oct 2022 #52

The US is sending Putin a message from a retired general and former CIA director. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #5

I think he's actually sending it to the people surrounding Putin. GoCubsGo Oct 2022 #11

Yes good point. The Russian generals got the message I am sure. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #13

I believe the RU generals are in constant contact with US/Allied officials. oldsoftie Oct 2022 #36

There was talk that the RU generals were refusing to take the calls from US generals. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #75

I don't either. I think that would've "leaked" to major news orgs if true oldsoftie Oct 2022 #79

Russian generals must know their lives and wealth are at stake. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #84

True; I hadn't thought of their wealth. But I'm sure THEY have!! oldsoftie Oct 2022 #103

Their dachas, mistresses, Swiss bank accounts, all of it. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #106

They wont wanna give up DAT ASS!! oldsoftie Oct 2022 #108

They need to do a Lavrentiy Beria on his ass. nt MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #110

That's the way i see it as well bluestarone Oct 2022 #43

This is the chess move. Someone Ilsa Oct 2022 #12

Exactly, retired (USArmy) general and former head of the CIA laying it out clearly. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #26

👍🤝👏 I Like. nt Ilsa Oct 2022 #29

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #31

"every ship in the Black Sea" speak easy Oct 2022 #58

Biden has 100,000 US troops stationed across Europe. NATO has 40,000 on the Russian border. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #74

Excellent point . . . Note how there was no mention of 'invasion' Strelnikov_ Oct 2022 #117

Good catch, I missed that point about pre-2014 territory. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #119

Petraeus DarthDem Oct 2022 #6

He is also a former head of the CIA. He is talking shit with Putin, psy-ops war. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #8

Petraeus is speaking honestly to Putin. And letting him know it is over and time to leave Ukraine. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #101

I believe that Putin has conscripted the 300,000 troops because he knows that he can't use Chainfire Oct 2022 #9

But unlike WWII, the slaughter will be live on social media. speak easy Oct 2022 #10

Putin may have to get total control of the Russian media. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #27

He's already done that. maxsolomon Oct 2022 #65

If the troops are communicating on social media, everything is not shut down. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #68

And also, unlike WWII, the soldiers would not be defending their home. Mister Ed Oct 2022 #44

Yes but the meat grinder approach is useless with the UKR superior modern war strategy/tactics. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #16

The Human wave worked, in part, because the Soviet Troops were fighting to liberate their homeland Chainfire Oct 2022 #32

Yep. Putin thinks he is Stalin and this is the Battle of Stalingrad. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #42

For that to work one has to feed and arm conscripted troops. rubbersole Oct 2022 #19

Not if he is just sending them to the front line to be killed. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #28

Did Petraeus mention anything about Russia's remaining nuclear submarines across the oceans? ancianita Oct 2022 #14

We don't like to talk about Russian boomers off the coast of the US and Europe. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #17

Don't like to talk about reality? Okay. ancianita Oct 2022 #20

The US did the same thing in WWII. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #33

I see. Thanks. Now I get what you meant by "we don't like to talk about..." ancianita Oct 2022 #38

There has been some "talk". Marcuse Oct 2022 #48

lol okay. But not authoritative talk ancianita Oct 2022 #60

I have to watch this movie. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #71

It's pretty darn funny. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #80

Thanks. I just put it in my Amazon Prime watch list. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #85

I have that one also in my library, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #87

Yes so many good scenes. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #90

Have you seen the movie Hunter/Killer with Gerard Butler yet? MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #91

Oh yes I loved it. Great movie. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #93

He is a great actor, comedy and action, good guy, bad guy, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #94

Thanks I just put in my watch list. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #95

Angel has fallen is a great movie also. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #96

Yes he is good. Going to watch Den of Thieves now and then Angel. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #99

Enjoy. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #100

Thanks. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #102

And you can be sure that there are US/NATO Hunter/Killer subs MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #23

Exactly. I am sure the cat and mouse game is in high gear. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #30

Missile bays are already loaded when the boomers leave their mooring, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #34

I thought there was a final loading when the sub's launch team authenticates the launch order? Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #72

You're thinking of Cruise Missiles, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #76

Good God. Yikes locked and loaded as they say. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #86

I had a friend who was stationed on a Ohio class Boomer, I won't say which one, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #81

Jeebus God. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #88

The Russian Admirals are under no illusions as to what will happen if they attempt MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #89

I agree. Biden, Joint Chiefs are unified in their resolve and it has gone down the chain of command Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #92

Added thought. Don't you think there is a non-nuclear missile, right now, aimed to go right up 3Hotdogs Oct 2022 #15

Putin was said to be "resting" at one of his country mansions. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #22

Yes. Don't know about NATO, but the US military never shows its cards. ancianita Oct 2022 #24

Which is why Patreus' comments are more like to be PsyOps than strategy. speak easy Oct 2022 #35

Cool ancianita Oct 2022 #40

It could be psyops for the Russian public/army Captain Zero Oct 2022 #63

The speculation is that he would not use nukes on the battlefield speak easy Oct 2022 #64

The problem is that you have to be damn sure that you get him on the first try. Chainfire Oct 2022 #39

I believe the whole world would converge on Russia JohnnyRingo Oct 2022 #21

Hard to believe this is a discussion in 2022. BradAllison Oct 2022 #37

K&R. William769 Oct 2022 #45

Newsweek cites military sources on possible "decapitation strike" on Kremlin Wicked Blue Oct 2022 #46

Anybody else here remember gen. betray-us? You know, the one who gave niyad Oct 2022 #47

That doesn't negate the fact MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #51

✔️ Duppers Oct 2022 #66

Perhaps. But I take everything he says with a large grain of salt. niyad Oct 2022 #77

If their nuclear weapons are maintained as well as their tanks and other weapons, their bombs may LiberalArkie Oct 2022 #49

I haven't seen any recent assessments of Putin's ... Whiskeytide Oct 2022 #53

I did hear a discussion on the BBC speak easy Oct 2022 #57

What he fails to mention is we're all dead should that happen AntivaxHunters Oct 2022 #54

So..........what? MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #56

And the end goal is vaporization? AntivaxHunters Oct 2022 #59

Again, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #61

You think that the West shouldn't respond to Putin using nukes? MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #62

I don't believe in violence AntivaxHunters Oct 2022 #73

I don't believe in violence either, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #78

I very much disagee AntivaxHunters Oct 2022 #82

So what is your suggested course of action if Putin MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #83

Its very simple The Protagonist Oct 2022 #97

Well, considering that Putin has shown no interest of negotiations to end the war, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #98

First off, Putin is in no position to invade other countries in Europe The Protagonist Oct 2022 #104

So if Putin lights off a nuke in Ukr. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #105

So then NATO goes to war against Russia The Protagonist Oct 2022 #107

... MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #109

Oh, and one other thing, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #111

See Post 83 The Protagonist Oct 2022 #112

Notice the word if? MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #113

I just want to make sure English is your native language The Protagonist Oct 2022 #114

What we, as in the US/NATO alliance, should do is initiate a massive bombing campaign MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #115

So we're back to square 1 The Protagonist Oct 2022 #116

Again, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #118

This is turning into an Abbott and Costello routine The Protagonist Oct 2022 #125

Please reread the original OP KS Toronado Oct 2022 #126

No, we are not. Putin is insane but not suicidal. He will go tactical, not strategic. sir pball Oct 2022 #69

Where would this country be today if we didn't nuke Japan? bluestarone Oct 2022 #70

I believe US Intelligence knows exactly where Putin is... dchill Oct 2022 #55

Agree. Duppers Oct 2022 #67

And then the whole thing goes into MAD sakabatou Oct 2022 #120

MAD means guaranteed catastrophic retaliation after a full-on first strike, speak easy Oct 2022 #121

And if Russia used nuclear weapons against Ukraine sakabatou Oct 2022 #123

What Petrues is saying is the U.S. would intially use conventional to speak easy Oct 2022 #124