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niyad

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77. Perhaps. But I take everything he says with a large grain of salt.

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Mon Oct 3, 2022, 03:32 PM

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What David Patreus said about Russia using nuclear weapons in Ukraine. [View all] speak easy Oct 2022 OP

This is scary to contemplate. brer cat Oct 2022 #1

I've heard a number of commentators talking about sinking Russia's Black Sea Fleet. speak easy Oct 2022 #2

It would be an attack on Russian territory, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #18

A declaration of war.. thomski64 Oct 2022 #41

No, they would not be in legal treason territory. Mariana Oct 2022 #122

NATO..... Lovie777 Oct 2022 #3

What Patraeus didn't add to his thoughts PJMcK Oct 2022 #4

That's the point of the message by Petraeus. Use nukes and it will not go well for Russia. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #7

"If he loses this war ...... he's in big trouble with his supporters" 70sEraVet Oct 2022 #25

Well right now, those "supporters" aren't very happy with how things are going Texin Oct 2022 #50

This right here! Yorkie Mom Oct 2022 #52

The US is sending Putin a message from a retired general and former CIA director. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #5

I think he's actually sending it to the people surrounding Putin. GoCubsGo Oct 2022 #11

Yes good point. The Russian generals got the message I am sure. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #13

I believe the RU generals are in constant contact with US/Allied officials. oldsoftie Oct 2022 #36

There was talk that the RU generals were refusing to take the calls from US generals. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #75

I don't either. I think that would've "leaked" to major news orgs if true oldsoftie Oct 2022 #79

Russian generals must know their lives and wealth are at stake. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #84

True; I hadn't thought of their wealth. But I'm sure THEY have!! oldsoftie Oct 2022 #103

Their dachas, mistresses, Swiss bank accounts, all of it. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #106

They wont wanna give up DAT ASS!! oldsoftie Oct 2022 #108

They need to do a Lavrentiy Beria on his ass. nt MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #110

That's the way i see it as well bluestarone Oct 2022 #43

This is the chess move. Someone Ilsa Oct 2022 #12

Exactly, retired (USArmy) general and former head of the CIA laying it out clearly. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #26

👍🤝👏 I Like. nt Ilsa Oct 2022 #29

+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #31

"every ship in the Black Sea" speak easy Oct 2022 #58

Biden has 100,000 US troops stationed across Europe. NATO has 40,000 on the Russian border. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #74

Excellent point . . . Note how there was no mention of 'invasion' Strelnikov_ Oct 2022 #117

Good catch, I missed that point about pre-2014 territory. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #119

Petraeus DarthDem Oct 2022 #6

He is also a former head of the CIA. He is talking shit with Putin, psy-ops war. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #8

Petraeus is speaking honestly to Putin. And letting him know it is over and time to leave Ukraine. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #101

I believe that Putin has conscripted the 300,000 troops because he knows that he can't use Chainfire Oct 2022 #9

But unlike WWII, the slaughter will be live on social media. speak easy Oct 2022 #10

Putin may have to get total control of the Russian media. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #27

He's already done that. maxsolomon Oct 2022 #65

If the troops are communicating on social media, everything is not shut down. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #68

And also, unlike WWII, the soldiers would not be defending their home. Mister Ed Oct 2022 #44

Yes but the meat grinder approach is useless with the UKR superior modern war strategy/tactics. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #16

The Human wave worked, in part, because the Soviet Troops were fighting to liberate their homeland Chainfire Oct 2022 #32

Yep. Putin thinks he is Stalin and this is the Battle of Stalingrad. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #42

For that to work one has to feed and arm conscripted troops. rubbersole Oct 2022 #19

Not if he is just sending them to the front line to be killed. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #28

Did Petraeus mention anything about Russia's remaining nuclear submarines across the oceans? ancianita Oct 2022 #14

We don't like to talk about Russian boomers off the coast of the US and Europe. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #17

Don't like to talk about reality? Okay. ancianita Oct 2022 #20

The US did the same thing in WWII. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #33

I see. Thanks. Now I get what you meant by "we don't like to talk about..." ancianita Oct 2022 #38

There has been some "talk". Marcuse Oct 2022 #48

lol okay. But not authoritative talk ancianita Oct 2022 #60

I have to watch this movie. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #71

It's pretty darn funny. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #80

Thanks. I just put it in my Amazon Prime watch list. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #85

I have that one also in my library, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #87

Yes so many good scenes. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #90

Have you seen the movie Hunter/Killer with Gerard Butler yet? MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #91

Oh yes I loved it. Great movie. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #93

He is a great actor, comedy and action, good guy, bad guy, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #94

Thanks I just put in my watch list. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #95

Angel has fallen is a great movie also. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #96

Yes he is good. Going to watch Den of Thieves now and then Angel. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #99

Enjoy. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #100

Thanks. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #102

And you can be sure that there are US/NATO Hunter/Killer subs MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #23

Exactly. I am sure the cat and mouse game is in high gear. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #30

Missile bays are already loaded when the boomers leave their mooring, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #34

I thought there was a final loading when the sub's launch team authenticates the launch order? Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #72

You're thinking of Cruise Missiles, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #76

Good God. Yikes locked and loaded as they say. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #86

I had a friend who was stationed on a Ohio class Boomer, I won't say which one, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #81

Jeebus God. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #88

The Russian Admirals are under no illusions as to what will happen if they attempt MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #89

I agree. Biden, Joint Chiefs are unified in their resolve and it has gone down the chain of command Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #92

Added thought. Don't you think there is a non-nuclear missile, right now, aimed to go right up 3Hotdogs Oct 2022 #15

Putin was said to be "resting" at one of his country mansions. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #22

Yes. Don't know about NATO, but the US military never shows its cards. ancianita Oct 2022 #24

Which is why Patreus' comments are more like to be PsyOps than strategy. speak easy Oct 2022 #35

Cool ancianita Oct 2022 #40

It could be psyops for the Russian public/army Captain Zero Oct 2022 #63

The speculation is that he would not use nukes on the battlefield speak easy Oct 2022 #64

The problem is that you have to be damn sure that you get him on the first try. Chainfire Oct 2022 #39

I believe the whole world would converge on Russia JohnnyRingo Oct 2022 #21

Hard to believe this is a discussion in 2022. BradAllison Oct 2022 #37

K&R. William769 Oct 2022 #45

Newsweek cites military sources on possible "decapitation strike" on Kremlin Wicked Blue Oct 2022 #46

Anybody else here remember gen. betray-us? You know, the one who gave niyad Oct 2022 #47

That doesn't negate the fact MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #51

✔️ Duppers Oct 2022 #66

Perhaps. But I take everything he says with a large grain of salt. niyad Oct 2022 #77

If their nuclear weapons are maintained as well as their tanks and other weapons, their bombs may LiberalArkie Oct 2022 #49

I haven't seen any recent assessments of Putin's ... Whiskeytide Oct 2022 #53

I did hear a discussion on the BBC speak easy Oct 2022 #57

What he fails to mention is we're all dead should that happen AntivaxHunters Oct 2022 #54

So..........what? MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #56

And the end goal is vaporization? AntivaxHunters Oct 2022 #59

Again, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #61

You think that the West shouldn't respond to Putin using nukes? MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #62

I don't believe in violence AntivaxHunters Oct 2022 #73

I don't believe in violence either, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #78

I very much disagee AntivaxHunters Oct 2022 #82

So what is your suggested course of action if Putin MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #83

Its very simple The Protagonist Oct 2022 #97

Well, considering that Putin has shown no interest of negotiations to end the war, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #98

First off, Putin is in no position to invade other countries in Europe The Protagonist Oct 2022 #104

So if Putin lights off a nuke in Ukr. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #105

So then NATO goes to war against Russia The Protagonist Oct 2022 #107

... MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #109

Oh, and one other thing, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #111

See Post 83 The Protagonist Oct 2022 #112

Notice the word if? MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #113

I just want to make sure English is your native language The Protagonist Oct 2022 #114

What we, as in the US/NATO alliance, should do is initiate a massive bombing campaign MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #115

So we're back to square 1 The Protagonist Oct 2022 #116

Again, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #118

This is turning into an Abbott and Costello routine The Protagonist Oct 2022 #125

Please reread the original OP KS Toronado Oct 2022 #126

No, we are not. Putin is insane but not suicidal. He will go tactical, not strategic. sir pball Oct 2022 #69

Where would this country be today if we didn't nuke Japan? bluestarone Oct 2022 #70

I believe US Intelligence knows exactly where Putin is... dchill Oct 2022 #55

Agree. Duppers Oct 2022 #67

And then the whole thing goes into MAD sakabatou Oct 2022 #120

MAD means guaranteed catastrophic retaliation after a full-on first strike, speak easy Oct 2022 #121

And if Russia used nuclear weapons against Ukraine sakabatou Oct 2022 #123

What Petrues is saying is the U.S. would intially use conventional to speak easy Oct 2022 #124