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SunSeeker

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38. Well Russia DOESN'T support the rules of the UN. Yet you want it on the UN SC with veto power.
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 01:44 AM
Oct 2022

There is nothing "logical" about your position.

It is not "logical" for a country that commits genocide to have veto power on the UN SC. I don't know what you mean by a "new UN," but we do need reforms to the UN SC so that the UN can stop genocidal dictators and can enforce its own charter.

And you are dead wrong about Biden's and the US position. The US and Biden absolutely do support major reforms to the UN SC. In his recent speech to the UN, Biden called for far reaching changes to the UN SC, including an increase in both permanent and nonpermanent members of UN SC to dilute Russia’s power. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/21/biden-un-blasts-russia-ukraine/

And yes you absolutely are trashing DUers and DU, by falsely claiming there are "countless" DU posts on the position, and suggesting it is "illogical" for DUers to expect Russia to comply with the 1963 Test Ban Treaty while Russia is still sitting on the UN SC as the USSR. All so you can claim DUers are "illogical."

Like I said in my above post, there is nothing contradictory or "illogical" about wanting Russia, as long as it is still on the UN SC, even though it should not be, to at least comply with the 1963 Test Ban Treaty as the USSR. It is you who is twisting logic in a knot, and misrepresenting now Biden’s position, to trash DU and DUers.

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Let's hope it is theatre. I don't think Putin is doing anything but looking for an off ramp. applegrove Oct 2022 #1
I hope so too. sakabatou Oct 2022 #2
An above ground or atmospheric test violates the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty of 1963. roamer65 Oct 2022 #3
Well, we have been told Russia has no right to the UN SC seat former9thward Oct 2022 #13
The 1963 Test Ban Treaty has nothing to do with the UN and UN membership rules. SunSeeker Oct 2022 #26
This has nothing to do with what Ukraine says. former9thward Oct 2022 #34
Got it, you're just trashing DU and DUers. SunSeeker Oct 2022 #35
I support the rules of the UN. former9thward Oct 2022 #36
Well Russia DOESN'T support the rules of the UN. Yet you want it on the UN SC with veto power. SunSeeker Oct 2022 #38
Biden does not want Russia out of the SC former9thward Oct 2022 #40
Biden wants Russia's power diluted on the SC, which has the same practical effect. SunSeeker Oct 2022 #41
Russia can veto any of those changes. former9thward Oct 2022 #42
Russia being able to veto anything is exactly why Biden wants a sweeping overhaul of the UN SC. SunSeeker Oct 2022 #43
Good Source! Mme. Defarge Oct 2022 #4
Thank you.. Corgigal Oct 2022 #5
The article outake is from The Telegraph in the UK. I think a sturdy source too. N/T applegrove Oct 2022 #6
Not sure about it being unbiased... regnaD kciN Oct 2022 #7
I stand corrected. I read the little blurb at Wikipedia. It said something about being the paper of applegrove Oct 2022 #8
See #29 - "right biased", "mixed" for factual reporting muriel_volestrangler Oct 2022 #30
I guess I was skimming. applegrove Oct 2022 #31
Oops! Mme. Defarge Oct 2022 #33
Well, Media Bias Fact Check lets itself down there; Daily Telegraph is "Right Biased" muriel_volestrangler Oct 2022 #29
Time to lend Ukraine some tactical nukes. ColinC Oct 2022 #9
Nope. You destroy Putins troops with massive conventional and drone force if he nukes Ukraine. applegrove Oct 2022 #10
I guess I'm thinking only under the assumption it has already been escalated ColinC Oct 2022 #11
This made me feel better: applegrove Oct 2022 #12
Oops. ShazzieB Oct 2022 #18
Here is a fresh link: applegrove Oct 2022 #20
Link isn't working. ? Silver Gaia Oct 2022 #22
I agree. roamer65 Oct 2022 #39
This has not been confirmed relayerbob Oct 2022 #14
I hope so. applegrove Oct 2022 #15
There's another thread on DU about this relayerbob Oct 2022 #17
Since it's spotted, it's a target. haele Oct 2022 #16
Ukraine could pull a John McClain if they capture this train. Crowman2009 Oct 2022 #21
If it wasn't for the fact that a lot of innocent people could get killed KS Toronado Oct 2022 #19
USA is the only country to use nuclear weapons in war. Nululu Oct 2022 #23
It should be considered an act of war against all humanity. AZLD4Candidate Oct 2022 #24
Agree but NATO would get the fallout. Nululu Oct 2022 #25
I've seen the video. It's a video of a train with stuff on it Tomconroy Oct 2022 #27
Zero confirmation. Tetrachloride Oct 2022 #28
Big difference between a "nuclear weapons convoy" and "a convoy transporting equipment for Russia's WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2022 #32
IF true probably just trying to psych everyone out Raine Oct 2022 #37
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