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Celerity

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25. In Duval County, Views of Vote Process as Different as Black and White (December 10, 2000)
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 10:27 PM
Oct 2022
right here is the clearest proof of a stolen election, they just illegally tossed thousands of (concentrated numerically to a very large degree in heavily black areas) ballots, simple as that:


1 in 4 black votes were rejected in Duval County (by an all-white, all-male, all-Republican canvassing board)

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-dec-10-mn-63791-story.html

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — Terry Smith’s face scrunched up Saturday when he heard the news that the recounts had stopped.
“You’re lying, right?” he asked--twice--as he stared at the entrance of the Duval County Courthouse where the process was set to begin. But when he saw county workers filing out and heard the thud, thud, thud of news crews slamming van doors, he got his answer. “I feel cheated,” said Smith, a 33-year-old housekeeper. “I feel like I got left out.” Smith spoke for many in Duval County, home to the third-biggest pile of undervotes in the state. Democrats have their hopes pinned on these undervotes--ballots with no presidential choice clearly marked--because they believe many here come from first-time African American voters. Texas Gov. George W. Bush led Vice President Al Gore, 58% to 41%, in Duval County--but more than nine out of every 10 African Americans nationwide who voted chose Gore.

A Growing List of Complaints

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Ever since the Nov. 7 election, blacks here have been cataloging complaints: confusing ballot directions and Jim Crow-era voting machines; delayed reports of undervotes after election day; an all-white, all-male, all-Republican canvassing board.

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Blacks also are frustrated by Duval County’s state-high 21,942 overvotes--or double-punched ballots--that also were not counted. Nearly 42% of the county’s spoiled ballots--overvotes and undervotes--came from predominantly black areas, even though only 20% of the total votes were cast there. Black leaders blame the high inner-city illiteracy rate and a sample ballot thought to be confusing to first-time voters. The evolution of Jacksonville has troubled many African American residents. The black-majority city merged with white-majority Duval County in 1968, diluting black political power just as many African Americans were first tasting it.

A Blistering Order From Washington

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Starting at 9 a.m. EST, lawyers for the Democratic and Republican parties appeared in front of the board and began arguing about how to cull the 4,967 undervotes from the 264,720 total votes cast. They also unloaded boilerplate arguments about ballot standards, with the Democrats insisting that the board consider dimpled chads and the Republicans pressing for a more restrictive, two-prong rule. Duval County officials said they would resolve that later. Meanwhile, the ballot counting machines arrived from Miami. On Friday, the Duval County board had ordered the machines flown up from Miami-Dade County, where officials two weeks ago had performed a similar cull. Despite GOP urgings that their use could result in a different number of undervotes, the canvassing board was all set to begin the separation process when the phone rang around 3 p.m.

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I think he very recently announced there was a BIG difference MerryHolidays Oct 2022 #1
That's my point. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2022 #5
Incredibly late. In the 1990s, the Republican Party had already Hortensis Oct 2022 #15
100% Cosmocat Oct 2022 #29
About as much as a Corrupt supreme court did about their part. Any complaints about that? Autumn Oct 2022 #2
Too bad a recount was necessary mzmolly Oct 2022 #8
Then people need to do something about who can run for president. In any given presidential Autumn Oct 2022 #14
We're discussing Nader mzmolly Oct 2022 #17
Yes we are discussing Nader. Nader who had a constitutional right to run for president. Autumn Oct 2022 #27
Nader had a right to run and lie to his ignorant mzmolly Oct 2022 #31
I doubt there's any Nader fans here. He's old and irrelevant, only comes up here when he's Autumn Oct 2022 #32
I believe his assertion that it mattered not who nominated our SCOTUS mzmolly Oct 2022 #38
I consider Bush to be a legacy of a corrupt Supreme court. YMOV so I'm Autumn Oct 2022 #39
... with the help of Nader, mzmolly Oct 2022 #40
By all means. Give those republicans a pass. I give no repuke a pass. nt Autumn Oct 2022 #42
I think it's clear we're not on the same mzmolly Oct 2022 #44
This is a BIG problem DontBelieveEastisEas Oct 2022 #46
Designed by a republican, on purpose. DontBelieveEastisEas Oct 2022 #45
In Duval County, Views of Vote Process as Different as Black and White (December 10, 2000) Celerity Oct 2022 #25
So much came out about the 2000 election but not a damn thing was done about it. Autumn Oct 2022 #26
Ask Susan Sarandon leftieNanner Oct 2022 #3
Here it is MerryHolidays Oct 2022 #4
When he Said that in '99 he Lost Me! My jaw dropped! Asshat. electric_blue68 Oct 2022 #6
Nader also said abortion law could just go back to states. nt delisen Oct 2022 #7
I always like Nader but disagreed with him in 2000 mountain grammy Oct 2022 #9
Joe Lieberman: just awful. MerryHolidays Oct 2022 #11
He was a republican when he was a Democrat mountain grammy Oct 2022 #12
I disagree with you now. Nader is a fairly corrupt ignoramus. NNadir Oct 2022 #18
People like him still feel that way in their big ideological picture while Hortensis Oct 2022 #10
+1 OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2022 #13
Well said. n/t. NNadir Oct 2022 #19
Truth Just A Box Of Rain Oct 2022 #20
Yes. betsuni Oct 2022 #22
Speak on it Hortensis!!!! It happens every election cycle. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2022 #24
that didn't age particularly well, did it? stopdiggin Oct 2022 #16
Shit, I'm still hearing it from self-styled independents...nt Wounded Bear Oct 2022 #34
do they at least have the grace stopdiggin Oct 2022 #36
Can't see their eyebrows on line... Wounded Bear Oct 2022 #37
Why are we talking about 1999? progressoid Oct 2022 #21
We all know why Sympthsical Oct 2022 #28
Darn you. Stupid ear worm. progressoid Oct 2022 #30
It was awful Sympthsical Oct 2022 #35
Yip. Thanks, Ralphie for everything. UTUSN Oct 2022 #23
Shit, I'm still hearing it from self-styled independents... Wounded Bear Oct 2022 #33
Gotta love Autumn still sticking up for Grifter Ralph BannonsLiver Oct 2022 #41
This was said at a time when Congressional Democrats were acting "GOP Lite" to win votes ZonkerHarris Oct 2022 #43
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