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In reply to the discussion: Remember, in1999, when Ralph Nader told us "there was not a dime's worth of difference" [View all]Celerity
(53,750 posts)25. In Duval County, Views of Vote Process as Different as Black and White (December 10, 2000)
right here is the clearest proof of a stolen election, they just illegally tossed thousands of (concentrated numerically to a very large degree in heavily black areas) ballots, simple as that:
1 in 4 black votes were rejected in Duval County (by an all-white, all-male, all-Republican canvassing board)
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-dec-10-mn-63791-story.html
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. Terry Smiths face scrunched up Saturday when he heard the news that the recounts had stopped.
Youre lying, right? he asked--twice--as he stared at the entrance of the Duval County Courthouse where the process was set to begin. But when he saw county workers filing out and heard the thud, thud, thud of news crews slamming van doors, he got his answer. I feel cheated, said Smith, a 33-year-old housekeeper. I feel like I got left out. Smith spoke for many in Duval County, home to the third-biggest pile of undervotes in the state. Democrats have their hopes pinned on these undervotes--ballots with no presidential choice clearly marked--because they believe many here come from first-time African American voters. Texas Gov. George W. Bush led Vice President Al Gore, 58% to 41%, in Duval County--but more than nine out of every 10 African Americans nationwide who voted chose Gore.
A Growing List of Complaints
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Ever since the Nov. 7 election, blacks here have been cataloging complaints: confusing ballot directions and Jim Crow-era voting machines; delayed reports of undervotes after election day; an all-white, all-male, all-Republican canvassing board.
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Blacks also are frustrated by Duval Countys state-high 21,942 overvotes--or double-punched ballots--that also were not counted. Nearly 42% of the countys spoiled ballots--overvotes and undervotes--came from predominantly black areas, even though only 20% of the total votes were cast there. Black leaders blame the high inner-city illiteracy rate and a sample ballot thought to be confusing to first-time voters. The evolution of Jacksonville has troubled many African American residents. The black-majority city merged with white-majority Duval County in 1968, diluting black political power just as many African Americans were first tasting it.
A Blistering Order From Washington
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Starting at 9 a.m. EST, lawyers for the Democratic and Republican parties appeared in front of the board and began arguing about how to cull the 4,967 undervotes from the 264,720 total votes cast. They also unloaded boilerplate arguments about ballot standards, with the Democrats insisting that the board consider dimpled chads and the Republicans pressing for a more restrictive, two-prong rule. Duval County officials said they would resolve that later. Meanwhile, the ballot counting machines arrived from Miami. On Friday, the Duval County board had ordered the machines flown up from Miami-Dade County, where officials two weeks ago had performed a similar cull. Despite GOP urgings that their use could result in a different number of undervotes, the canvassing board was all set to begin the separation process when the phone rang around 3 p.m.
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1 in 4 black votes were rejected in Duval County (by an all-white, all-male, all-Republican canvassing board)
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-dec-10-mn-63791-story.html
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. Terry Smiths face scrunched up Saturday when he heard the news that the recounts had stopped.
Youre lying, right? he asked--twice--as he stared at the entrance of the Duval County Courthouse where the process was set to begin. But when he saw county workers filing out and heard the thud, thud, thud of news crews slamming van doors, he got his answer. I feel cheated, said Smith, a 33-year-old housekeeper. I feel like I got left out. Smith spoke for many in Duval County, home to the third-biggest pile of undervotes in the state. Democrats have their hopes pinned on these undervotes--ballots with no presidential choice clearly marked--because they believe many here come from first-time African American voters. Texas Gov. George W. Bush led Vice President Al Gore, 58% to 41%, in Duval County--but more than nine out of every 10 African Americans nationwide who voted chose Gore.
A Growing List of Complaints
snip
Ever since the Nov. 7 election, blacks here have been cataloging complaints: confusing ballot directions and Jim Crow-era voting machines; delayed reports of undervotes after election day; an all-white, all-male, all-Republican canvassing board.
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Blacks also are frustrated by Duval Countys state-high 21,942 overvotes--or double-punched ballots--that also were not counted. Nearly 42% of the countys spoiled ballots--overvotes and undervotes--came from predominantly black areas, even though only 20% of the total votes were cast there. Black leaders blame the high inner-city illiteracy rate and a sample ballot thought to be confusing to first-time voters. The evolution of Jacksonville has troubled many African American residents. The black-majority city merged with white-majority Duval County in 1968, diluting black political power just as many African Americans were first tasting it.
A Blistering Order From Washington
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Starting at 9 a.m. EST, lawyers for the Democratic and Republican parties appeared in front of the board and began arguing about how to cull the 4,967 undervotes from the 264,720 total votes cast. They also unloaded boilerplate arguments about ballot standards, with the Democrats insisting that the board consider dimpled chads and the Republicans pressing for a more restrictive, two-prong rule. Duval County officials said they would resolve that later. Meanwhile, the ballot counting machines arrived from Miami. On Friday, the Duval County board had ordered the machines flown up from Miami-Dade County, where officials two weeks ago had performed a similar cull. Despite GOP urgings that their use could result in a different number of undervotes, the canvassing board was all set to begin the separation process when the phone rang around 3 p.m.
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Remember, in1999, when Ralph Nader told us "there was not a dime's worth of difference" [View all]
OAITW r.2.0
Oct 2022
OP
About as much as a Corrupt supreme court did about their part. Any complaints about that?
Autumn
Oct 2022
#2
Then people need to do something about who can run for president. In any given presidential
Autumn
Oct 2022
#14
Yes we are discussing Nader. Nader who had a constitutional right to run for president.
Autumn
Oct 2022
#27
I doubt there's any Nader fans here. He's old and irrelevant, only comes up here when he's
Autumn
Oct 2022
#32
In Duval County, Views of Vote Process as Different as Black and White (December 10, 2000)
Celerity
Oct 2022
#25
So much came out about the 2000 election but not a damn thing was done about it.
Autumn
Oct 2022
#26
This was said at a time when Congressional Democrats were acting "GOP Lite" to win votes
ZonkerHarris
Oct 2022
#43