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Hortensis

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37. Great posts. Also, Putin was pursuing a far, far better "grand bargain"
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 12:44 PM
Oct 2022

with tRump, and it, or an even better version of it, could solve all the post-2020 problems he created that threaten to destroy him and his ambitions. He needs tRump to be reelected, and 2024 would be, for instance, a mere 2-year semi-detente with Ukraine away.

NATO! Our election of Biden, coupled with Putin's invasion of Ukraine, has caused dreadful reverses in Putin's grand plan to destroy NATO and restore hegemony over the Soviet Union nations; But a President tRump could still pull the United States out of NATO. Putin could still achieve complete victory in Ukraine and force capitulation of other states no longer protected by the remains of NATO, and whatever other problems he's been able to maximize in Europe and America.

Of course he could once again enable tRump to prove he was the greatest deal maker of all by cancelling sanctions, and also imagine he was in control by refusing to. He and tRump could still form the "joint cyber agreements" that mere suggestion of once made us shudder. And of course Putin could continue the maneuvers that election of Biden interrupted for the transfer of U.S. power and relationships in various regions of the world to Russia. Including right here.

All must still seem within reach, and more, by using tRump to block and/or destroy the U.S.'s ability to stop him. Or other means, failing that. America's Democrats are Putin's biggest obstacle. No one must be more aware than him.

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Fuck that. RandySF Oct 2022 #1
+1 2naSalit Oct 2022 #9
With a one-way ticket to The Hague. eom Justice matters. Oct 2022 #13
+2 SouthernDem4ever Oct 2022 #15
I think he meant hung by his heels A HERETIC I AM Oct 2022 #16
Too bad 'we' civilized nations, don't do that any longer. Justice matters. Oct 2022 #17
From the sound of his pronouncements DFW Oct 2022 #24
Turn yourself in to The Hague, Pootie Dirty Socialist Oct 2022 #2
+1 2naSalit Oct 2022 #10
So, it turns out that Putin is not just a murderer, but an asshole... TreasonousBastard Oct 2022 #3
Land is about it. 2naSalit Oct 2022 #11
So far his nuclear threats have worked quit well. The West is terrified of Putin. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #21
Exactly. "What's Russia got to offer"? Midnight Writer Oct 2022 #39
The Black Knight wants to call it a draw. nt Xipe Totec Oct 2022 #4
Of course he does but dealing with him is like dealing with TFG PurgedVoter Oct 2022 #5
✔️✔️✔️ Duppers Oct 2022 #8
Putler broke the deal when he attacked Crimea. Ligyron Oct 2022 #22
The Budapest Memorandum 1994. Yes, Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons PortTack Oct 2022 #29
New Russia can kiss our butts StormKing Oct 2022 #6
Putin's new grand illusion BeyondGeography Oct 2022 #7
Well... 2naSalit Oct 2022 #12
There is a New Russia, one that not only lost most of its conventional military, but is downgrading. TheBlackAdder Oct 2022 #14
Here's a deal: give up the war and go home. eShirl Oct 2022 #18
Sure, just like Britain rewarding Hitler... augyboston Oct 2022 #19
Putin wants control over Europe, and world superpower status. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #20
An eighth grade bully can bring a gun to school... hunter Oct 2022 #25
So far Putin is getting what he wants. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #28
Agree...and his continued attacks while losing spectacularly on the battlefield only amplify his PortTack Oct 2022 #30
Of course he does. Extortionists want all kinds of things. tanyev Oct 2022 #23
He's trying to avoid the next round of sanctions. GoCubsGo Oct 2022 #26
I have such a deal for you! It's a grand bargain! DFW Oct 2022 #27
Putin's in danger of his "grand bargain" with the outliers of the Russian Federation collapsing. Emrys Oct 2022 #31
Outside its nukes... Happy Hoosier Oct 2022 #32
Of course he does. He's getting shown up on the international stage... Wounded Bear Oct 2022 #33
Interesting with Putin's bargaining position being weakened by Biden gulliver Oct 2022 #34
The West will put Neville Chamberlain right on it! Hekate Oct 2022 #35
Unfortunately for Putin, we've always had the policy Sogo Oct 2022 #36
Great posts. Also, Putin was pursuing a far, far better "grand bargain" Hortensis Oct 2022 #37
Fine by me. let's start with kicking them out of the UN. nt Javaman Oct 2022 #38
Moscow seeks nothing less than Ukraine's unconditional capitulation. LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #40
We got Putin's exit ramp right here: Emrys Oct 2022 #42
KnR. Great thread. Hekate Oct 2022 #41
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