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In reply to the discussion: Old Russian Parable [View all]grantcart
(53,061 posts)43. Saving their asses during WWII was in our self interest, it made it easier to invade France
When we saved their asses in 1921 is more remarkable as it was done without any self interest or hope of payback
One of the worst disasters in civilization occurred in 1921 when the Soviet Union ran out of grains. Close to 100,000 people were dying a week and the US organized a massive shipment of wheat and corn to the SU. Even so close to 10 million died.
Ten years later between 1931 and 1934 the forced agricultural collectivization created an entirely artificial famine. Stalin took his main revenge on Ukraine which had resisted collectivization (because they knew it wouldn't work) and confiscated all of their food. Close to 4 million Ukrainians died of starvation. This is why they will never negotiate, the lived under a Moscow government before and suffered under genocidal conditions. They know that in the future that if they were controlled by Moscow and built up wealth and assets that Putin would starve them just as Stalin did.
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That's why USA hit its pinnacle. Shitters, envious of neighbors tear down instead of build together.
TheBlackAdder
Oct 2022
#32
I'll have to look... Been Hearing Prof T Snyder on public radio. Caught some of his tweets etc ty
electric_blue68
Oct 2022
#11
You'll recognize him from Rachel Maddow show that's the author of the fabulous book,On Tyrrany
mahina
Oct 2022
#12
It's Not every Russian. There have protests, and arrests in Russia against this war
electric_blue68
Oct 2022
#14
I agree. The golden rule doesn't require a god. It's about cohabitation in a meaningful way.
Buckeyeblue
Oct 2022
#42
Stalin's attempt to stamp out religion did not work. Putin learned from Stalin's mistakes.
SunSeeker
Oct 2022
#28
Exactly RepubliCON and MAGAt reasoning: "he" is against the same people I'm against
Bernardo de La Paz
Oct 2022
#33
Try googling "wish my neighbor's cow would die" and you'll get many hits on a similar version.
eppur_se_muova
Oct 2022
#36
Saving their asses during WWII was in our self interest, it made it easier to invade France
grantcart
Oct 2022
#43