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Thu Oct 27, 2022, 10:22 AM Oct 2022

If This Doesn't Send A Chill Down Your Spine, Nothing Will [View all]

Mike Pence claims the First Amendment didn't establish a right to freedom from religion.

By Susie Madrak — October 27, 2022

I think I was 12 when I learned that Christianity wasn't actually the foundation of our country the nuns described. As a young Philadelphian, I toured just about every local historical site, where I learned that Founders like Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson probably didn't even consider themselves orthodox Christians -- instead, they were likely Deists. (Something that today would fall into the category of "spiritual but not religious.

But there's one thing we know for sure. The people who wrote and signed our founding documents were deeply suspicious of state religion, having witnessed the damage it did in England and in the American colonies. That's why they wrote barriers against religious political influence into the Constitution.

And that's why this little discussion with Larry Kudlow and Mike Pence horrified me. From Kudlow's show:

https://crooksandliars.com/2022/10/if-doesnt-send-chill-down-your-spine

Hey Pence and Kudlow, did you two by some strange chance go into "any" history class while in high school, did you read the two men that wrote about the religion in the Constitution .....one was by a man named Thomas Jefferson, the other one was James Madison....so where you two fucking pin heads in any class concerning the Constitution or did you go to the federalist society meeting......


James Madison:

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1220/james-madison

Thomas Jefferson:

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/886/wall-of-separation#:~:text=Jefferson%20explained%20his%20understanding%20of,wall%20between%20church%20and%20State

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white satan needs to quit wasting oxygen. niyad Oct 2022 #1
The establishment clause is very clear Zambero Oct 2022 #2
Not according to Rs & not according to earlier SCOTUS Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2022 #29
Pence is one of those people with an unlimited ability... Girard442 Oct 2022 #3
SCOTUS is now an established religion and is unConstitutional bucolic_frolic Oct 2022 #4
Christian Taliban running our government should send chills Emile Oct 2022 #5
The GOP wants to change the whole premise and identity of the United States. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #6
Republicans hate America and everything we stand for Sugarcoated Oct 2022 #8
American laws/values stand in the way of GOP's goal of permanent power, control, vast wealth. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #25
Christo-Fascist utopia,... magicarpet Oct 2022 #7
Yeah, HighFired49 Oct 2022 #14
Never forget, Pence is a zealot dlk Oct 2022 #9
Christian Nation NowISeetheLight Oct 2022 #10
Someone should tell pence that the pilgrims came here to get away from guys like him. cutroot Oct 2022 #11
Actually, Pence would've made a stupendous Puritan. They were dour and uber-patriarchal. HardPort Oct 2022 #13
Actually, that really isn't accurate . . . markpkessinger Oct 2022 #23
In God We Doubt (n/t) HardPort Oct 2022 #12
They'll keep the 2nd amendment and repeal all the rest IronLionZion Oct 2022 #15
Word on the street is BittyJenkins Oct 2022 #16
That interpretation of the Book of Revelation is one made up out of whole cloth by . . . markpkessinger Oct 2022 #24
Thanks BittyJenkins Oct 2022 #28
All necked emperors with no clothes Zambero Oct 2022 #30
As it says in Ecclusiastics 3:14, Pinback Oct 2022 #17
We are the dern foreigners. GreenWave Oct 2022 #18
These Evangelicals are so easily manipulated into giving up their freedom Farmer-Rick Oct 2022 #19
They're willing to give up some of their freedoms if black and brown people, plus women and Lonestarblue Oct 2022 #27
The Methodists and Baptists really are on different pages Racygrandma Oct 2022 #20
And which religion does he have in mind? And who will enforce it? These guys??? Siwsan Oct 2022 #21
Religious schools have been teaching that claptrap forever Warpy Oct 2022 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author rsdsharp Oct 2022 #26
They kind of disappeared that commandment about lying, though. halfulglas Oct 2022 #31
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