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TygrBright

(21,392 posts)
27. Agree with you about stigmatizing mental illness...
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 01:17 PM
Oct 2022

You can see my take on it in my Journal.

BUT - your heading is a bit misleading, because I'm all in favor of calling out (is it "stigmatizing" when it's simply accurate description?) what is painfully euphemistically called "mental health care" in America.

Here is Fuller Torrey's (a VERY smart observer who's been in the field a long time) take on mental health care in America.

Short version: It's suckier than it's ever been for pretty much everyone, and it's always been pretty sucky.

Pre-Reagan it was "dump them in a mental hospital" and that might not have been too bad in some cases EXCEPT that mental hospitals a) were never funded to provide even basic conditions of human decency for most inmates; and b) even where they were well-intentioned, they still relied on a horrific array of "treatments" that rarely did much except make people suffer.

Then things "improved" by "deinstitutionalizing" people. That is, putting them on the streets where they could be homeless and miserable and get even less help.

We are now in a bifurcated system where we have pharmacological interventions available for those who can afford to pay, and some of those pharmacological interventions make some short-term improvements possible but do little for long-term well-being (and may have hellish side effects), and some of those pharmacological interventions eventually produce no results at all and have vicious withdrawal profiles when the people taking them realize they're no longer helping. We do have a few, painfully few, interventions in therapeutic technique that provide some assistance for some people, but again, they're available only for those who can afford them.

Everyone else, that is, those who can't afford to private-pay for non-harmful interventions for as long as they are needed, is just fucked. Fucked on their own, fucked on the street, fucked in a hellscape of uncaring greed-headed "mental health care" underfunded, under-reseached and unavailable.

So, yeah, stigmatize that from hell to breakfast.

But quit conflating "mentally ill" with "evil" or "stupid" or "catastrophically bad at decision-making."

helpfully,
Bright

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K and r. Treefrog Oct 2022 #1
Kicking for visibility SheltieLover Oct 2022 #2
Thank you. nt delisen Oct 2022 #3
Thank you for posting this. thucythucy Oct 2022 #4
K&R. Our culture has a terrible understanding of mental health, and when you add in the stigma of WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2022 #5
I couldn't agree more. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #6
I apologize for my stupidity and lack of understanding of mental illness. gab13by13 Oct 2022 #7
Thank you. I have disagreements with a lot of people. mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2022 #9
Yes. Elessar Zappa Oct 2022 #8
+1. THAT is the flat truth. -(nt)- stopdiggin Oct 2022 #52
How long before those terms are verboten? BannonsLiver Nov 2022 #59
Well, Elessar Zappa Nov 2022 #60
Here here!!! Takket Oct 2022 #10
I hear you. Just A Box Of Rain Oct 2022 #11
Absolutely right. Ocelot II Oct 2022 #12
I like this for being more nuanced than some stopdiggin Oct 2022 #53
The question is whether a person who believes irrational ideas, things we call "crazy," Ocelot II Oct 2022 #54
a lot (most?) are quite clearly NOT mentally ill an any clinical sense stopdiggin Nov 2022 #55
How about "deluded"? Ocelot II Nov 2022 #56
I alerted on someone using the word "nutso" XanaDUer2 Oct 2022 #13
noted, however GenXer47 Oct 2022 #14
Indoctrinated Dysfunctional Oct 2022 #23
Um, yes it is a political stance to favor wnylib Oct 2022 #28
Inculcated. plimsoll Oct 2022 #44
KnR n/t RockCreek Oct 2022 #15
K&R redstatebluegirl Oct 2022 #16
Thanks for the post! Evolve Dammit Oct 2022 #17
Thanks onenote Oct 2022 #18
I agree @mahatmakanejeeves. DU, we are better than than. Peace. n/t iluvtennis Oct 2022 #19
People who choose to be mentally ill are still mentally ill Warpy Oct 2022 #20
K&R BaronChocula Oct 2022 #21
As someone who has suffered from depression, I heartily agree, Jeeves. Martin68 Oct 2022 #22
History of mental illness in my family and my mom and wife and myself worked in mental health emulatorloo Oct 2022 #24
K&R c-rational Oct 2022 #25
Thank you. Can I ask everyone for a favor? CaptainTruth Oct 2022 #26
Idenitify the problem iemanja Oct 2022 #33
Indoctrinated is accurate without any reference to wnylib Oct 2022 #34
Agree with you about stigmatizing mental illness... TygrBright Oct 2022 #27
+1 Mad_Machine76 Oct 2022 #39
K and R Agree totally. justhanginon Oct 2022 #29
It's out of compasion ffr Oct 2022 #30
It's not compassionate. It's hateful. iemanja Oct 2022 #32
Please do me the justice in reading my post before rebutting it with a red-herring ffr Oct 2022 #35
It most certainly does iemanja Oct 2022 #37
I still don't think you read my post. Or perhaps you just like to vent today. ffr Oct 2022 #41
Thank you for this iemanja Oct 2022 #31
Thank you. nt sl8 Oct 2022 #36
Pathologizing politics has a long pedigree Sympthsical Oct 2022 #38
Agreed! yardwork Oct 2022 #40
I remember that. calimary Oct 2022 #42
Looks like the answer is no sarisataka Oct 2022 #43
I think you missed the point of that thread. It is about right wing media n/t emulatorloo Oct 2022 #46
The end is the same sarisataka Oct 2022 #47
It is a lot more nuanced than OP's examples. emulatorloo Oct 2022 #48
I'm sorry, I will call trump a madman till the day I die mountain grammy Oct 2022 #45
+1 BannonsLiver Nov 2022 #57
I am convinced that Trump meets the DSM-V standards for more than one mental illness. LudwigPastorius Oct 2022 #49
I have a dear friend and neighbor who is a professor emeritus at UCLA's School of Psychiatry Just A Box Of Rain Oct 2022 #51
makes sense onder narrow circumstances lefthandedskyhook Oct 2022 #50
No. BannonsLiver Nov 2022 #58
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