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haele

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44. Especially if in the countries they were fleeing from, child labor is normal.
Fri Nov 11, 2022, 12:03 PM
Nov 2022

The military took me to a lot of countries where unless they were from a well off family (professional class or above) children were expected to quit school and work at the family business or employer when they turned 12 or 13.
Girls were expected to be getting groomed to find a husband by the time they were 15.
There was no such thing as "Teen-age" in those countries unless your family could afford to let you be a teenager. Just as it was prior to the 1940's in poorer or rural communities in the US.

I suspect that's why immigrant communities are often baffled when the government comes down hard on child labor. It's not that education isn't important; it's that culturally, education isn't as important as supporting the family that raised you.
Many immigrants are coming up for work to pull their families out of increasingly squalid poverty, and coming to the USA includes expecting not only work waiting for them, but work waiting for the older children they are bringing up with them, or have contacted older family minors to come up and live with them while they are pursuing or have been granted asylum.
That good old American "work ethic" is still in play, it's just that now all US citizens tend to expect their kids to at least finish high school before they have to find a job to support themselves, while those desperate immigrants still aren't expected to have that 'luxury' and need to prove themselves and their poor families worthy of being in the US.

IMO, the basis for many of the gangs in these poorer countries immigrants are fleeing comes from three components - Class structure in those countries, technology and nepotism reducing employment, and an high cost of attending secondary school to the poorer families requiring poor children to find jobs to support their own schooling (or drop out) once they get past basic letter and number recognition, let alone basic reading and math.
The poor are stuck with a hard decision; either they give themselves and their families up to a perpetual cycle of increasing poverty and slow death, or they flee to somewhere they can work their way out of desperate poverty into some form of self-sufficiency. And that means everyone in the family does their part, which leaves them and their children open to exploitation by "it's just business" folks making profits off cheap labor.

Haele

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So it's a republican wet dream come true. Ray Bruns Nov 2022 #1
Exactly Johnny2X2X Nov 2022 #7
Yeah, that would be the republican PatSeg Nov 2022 #22
ONLY if they are poorer than "they" are OR they are not the same color. Ferrets are Cool Nov 2022 #41
children that were born into poverty because abortion was unavailable rurallib Nov 2022 #43
My first thought too! The good old days party of child labor. justhanginon Nov 2022 #19
GOP wants cheap labor and to blame children for stealing our jobs IronLionZion Nov 2022 #33
Well the upper class do want to bring back child labor ..... Lovie777 Nov 2022 #2
Capitalism without restraints for the 'Job Creators'. 70sEraVet Nov 2022 #3
I was going to reference an Upton Sinclair novel DBoon Nov 2022 #59
From the source, the U.S. Department of Labor's Wage and Hour Division: mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2022 #4
Disgusting ProfessorGAC Nov 2022 #12
PSSI: mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2022 #13
A lot of industrial cleaning products are worse than that Warpy Nov 2022 #49
Sorry But That's Not True ProfessorGAC Nov 2022 #51
They were unlikely to be using lye or concentrated chlorine bleach Warpy Nov 2022 #53
They Use Caustic Soda All The Time ProfessorGAC Nov 2022 #55
WOW!!!!! secondwind Nov 2022 #14
You really want to tick DOL off? mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2022 #15
Would be interesting to see how/if/when they're sentenced. jaxexpat Nov 2022 #38
I also wonder if they're immigrants? LeftInTX Nov 2022 #26
The kids were Spanish speakers, so they likely are immigrants. Lonestarblue Nov 2022 #31
OK...thx LeftInTX Nov 2022 #32
Jeezus H. Graveyard shifts no less Bristlecone Nov 2022 #5
K&R Solly Mack Nov 2022 #6
Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses? Blue Owl Nov 2022 #8
JFC. Oliver Twist time. niyad Nov 2022 #9
I would like to know if they were HAB911 Nov 2022 #10
Immigrants was my first reaction LeftInTX Nov 2022 #27
We could shut this kind of thing down TODAY, if we were willing to prosecute bullwinkle428 Nov 2022 #11
+1 n/t area51 Nov 2022 #36
Shut down the company I_UndergroundPanther Nov 2022 #54
aside from the kids doing this work being illegal. Javaman Nov 2022 #16
This! Everything you said. pandr32 Nov 2022 #21
I would not be surprised if they are immigrants LeftInTX Nov 2022 #28
Especially if in the countries they were fleeing from, child labor is normal. haele Nov 2022 #44
This. Thanks Hekate Nov 2022 #46
Newt Gingrich: Child Labor Laws Are 'Stupid' keithbvadu2 Nov 2022 #17
Blast from the past: harumph Nov 2022 #18
In 1900, 18 percent of all American workers were under the age of 16. keithbvadu2 Nov 2022 #20
Thanks for the link. I had not seen all of those before. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2022 #57
WTF??? Joinfortmill Nov 2022 #23
Any amount of money says keroro gunsou Nov 2022 #24
Yep! LeftInTX Nov 2022 #29
:) Plus, D - from impoverished backgrounds. Discrimination against Hortensis Nov 2022 #37
I'm curious about the age and race of the children. intheflow Nov 2022 #25
I'm willing to be bet that they are migrants... LeftInTX Nov 2022 #30
With no unions to worry about Farmer-Rick Nov 2022 #34
Reads like a Dickenson novel BonnieJW Nov 2022 #35
As long as it's profitable for companies to engage in this Phoenix61 Nov 2022 #39
Remember when newt said kids could work as janitors, at schools childfreebychoice Nov 2022 #40
I'm feeling shocked, even though this is expected result of RW extremism Hortensis Nov 2022 #42
Who owns PSSI? AKwannabe Nov 2022 #45
There is nothing good about industrial scale meat production. Absolutely nothing. hunter Nov 2022 #47
The soul of America ... KnR Hekate Nov 2022 #48
Charles Dickens sent a time warp message . . . . Stinky The Clown Nov 2022 #50
Mother Jones, Children's March - 1903, Phila. to Long Isl., NY, Pres.Theo. Roosevelt's summer home appalachiablue Nov 2022 #52
Kickin' with DISGUST Faux pas Nov 2022 #56
I would like to see names.. Permanut Nov 2022 #58
** CAN I X-POST THIS IN THE *'OS LABOR' GROUP? THANKS.. appalachiablue Nov 2022 #60
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