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In reply to the discussion: Katie Porter needs some positive vibes! [View all]Celerity
(53,539 posts)83. NY did not drop the ball, they were fucked over by the system that Cuomo rammed into place
years ago as part of his never ending quest for power concentration and wars with the libs/progs.
He is one of the big legitimate targets of blame if/when we lose the House.
The 2014 NY Constitutional redistricting change was a Cuomo-led dodgy gambit:
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/what-went-wrong-new-yorks-redistricting
In 2014, one of Gov. Andrew Cuomos signature accomplishments was the passage of a constitutional amendment that changed the way the states political maps are drawn. Instead of the legislature drawing maps, a bipartisan advisory commission would draw maps in the first instance for consideration by the legislature. The amendment also for the first time created legally enforceable protections in state law against partisan gerrymandering.
At the time, Cuomo boasted that the amendment would permanently reform the redistricting process in New York to once and for all end self-interested partisan gerrymandering.
New Yorks experience contrasts with that of states with more robust reforms like California and Michigan, where maps passed on a bipartisan basis (unanimously in California) and were upheld by courts. Heres a look at three reasons why the New York process produced less than optimal results.
The 2014 New York reforms did not create a truly independent redistricting process.
Ultimately, most of the problems with how New Yorks redistricting played out lie in the design of the 2014 reforms. Despite being described in New York law as independent, the changes in reality resulted in a process that remains far more open to political manipulation and is far less independent than those of states that adopted more comprehensive reforms.
In 2014, one of Gov. Andrew Cuomos signature accomplishments was the passage of a constitutional amendment that changed the way the states political maps are drawn. Instead of the legislature drawing maps, a bipartisan advisory commission would draw maps in the first instance for consideration by the legislature. The amendment also for the first time created legally enforceable protections in state law against partisan gerrymandering.
At the time, Cuomo boasted that the amendment would permanently reform the redistricting process in New York to once and for all end self-interested partisan gerrymandering.
New Yorks experience contrasts with that of states with more robust reforms like California and Michigan, where maps passed on a bipartisan basis (unanimously in California) and were upheld by courts. Heres a look at three reasons why the New York process produced less than optimal results.
The 2014 New York reforms did not create a truly independent redistricting process.
Ultimately, most of the problems with how New Yorks redistricting played out lie in the design of the 2014 reforms. Despite being described in New York law as independent, the changes in reality resulted in a process that remains far more open to political manipulation and is far less independent than those of states that adopted more comprehensive reforms.
Cuomo also prevented Dem control of the NY Senate for years with his Independent Democratic Conference (IDC) scheme. The IDC was a group of members of the New York State Senate from the Democratic Party who were elected as Democrats but formed a coalition to give the Republicans the majority in the chamber.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Democratic_Conference
Founded January 5, 2011
Dissolved April 16, 2018
Split from Democratic Party of New York
Merged into Democratic Party of New York
Ideology Modern liberalism
Conservative liberalism
Seats in the State Senate (at dissolution)
8 / 63
The Independent Democratic Conference (IDC) was a group of members of the New York State Senate from the Democratic Party who were elected as Democrats but formed a coalition to give the Republicans the majority in the chamber, and attempted to create an independent caucus or a third caucus in the New York State Senate or a third party in the State of New York and prevent the Republican Party from gerrymandering the state senate districts of the 8 IDC members. At the time of its dissolution, the IDC included eight members: Jeffrey D. Klein, Marisol Alcantara, Tony Avella, David Carlucci, Jesse Hamilton, Jose Peralta, Diane Savino, and David Valesky.
Klein, Savino, Valesky, and Carlucci formed the IDC in 2011 due to disagreements with John L. Sampson, the Democratic leader in the New York State Senate. The IDC allied itself with Senate Republicans throughout its existence. During the 201314 legislative session, the IDC and the Senate Republican Conference controlled the Senate jointly, as the Senate Republicans did not have sufficient numbers to form a governing majority on their own.
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In the November 2012 elections, Democrats won a majority of seats in the State Senate. Following the election, the IDC formed a bipartisan coalition with the Senate Republican Conference that enabled the two conferences to control the Senate despite the Democrats' numerical majority. Under their power-sharing arrangement, the IDC and the Senate Republicans agreed to " decide what bills [would] reach the Senate floor each day of the session", would "dole out committee assignments", would "have the power to make appointments to state and local boards", and would "share negotiations over the state budget". Klein and Skelos also agreed that the title of Senate President would shift back and forth between the two of them every two weeks. Additionally, Simcha Felder, a Democratic senator-elect, announced he would caucus with the Republicans.
In December 2012, the IDC recruited Malcolm Smith to join its ranks. This move was part of a failed attempt by Smith to secure the Republican Party nomination in the New York City mayoral election; Smith was indicted on federal corruption charges, which led to his expulsion from the IDC on April 14, 2013, and his eventual conviction. On February 26, 2014, Tony Avella left the Senate Democratic Conference to join the IDC.
Governor Andrew Cuomo was actively involved in the formation of the conference, encouraging it to maintain Republican leadership of the chamber and providing tactical advice in order to keep more liberal New York City Democrats out of power.
Dissolved April 16, 2018
Split from Democratic Party of New York
Merged into Democratic Party of New York
Ideology Modern liberalism
Conservative liberalism
Seats in the State Senate (at dissolution)
8 / 63
The Independent Democratic Conference (IDC) was a group of members of the New York State Senate from the Democratic Party who were elected as Democrats but formed a coalition to give the Republicans the majority in the chamber, and attempted to create an independent caucus or a third caucus in the New York State Senate or a third party in the State of New York and prevent the Republican Party from gerrymandering the state senate districts of the 8 IDC members. At the time of its dissolution, the IDC included eight members: Jeffrey D. Klein, Marisol Alcantara, Tony Avella, David Carlucci, Jesse Hamilton, Jose Peralta, Diane Savino, and David Valesky.
Klein, Savino, Valesky, and Carlucci formed the IDC in 2011 due to disagreements with John L. Sampson, the Democratic leader in the New York State Senate. The IDC allied itself with Senate Republicans throughout its existence. During the 201314 legislative session, the IDC and the Senate Republican Conference controlled the Senate jointly, as the Senate Republicans did not have sufficient numbers to form a governing majority on their own.
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In the November 2012 elections, Democrats won a majority of seats in the State Senate. Following the election, the IDC formed a bipartisan coalition with the Senate Republican Conference that enabled the two conferences to control the Senate despite the Democrats' numerical majority. Under their power-sharing arrangement, the IDC and the Senate Republicans agreed to " decide what bills [would] reach the Senate floor each day of the session", would "dole out committee assignments", would "have the power to make appointments to state and local boards", and would "share negotiations over the state budget". Klein and Skelos also agreed that the title of Senate President would shift back and forth between the two of them every two weeks. Additionally, Simcha Felder, a Democratic senator-elect, announced he would caucus with the Republicans.
In December 2012, the IDC recruited Malcolm Smith to join its ranks. This move was part of a failed attempt by Smith to secure the Republican Party nomination in the New York City mayoral election; Smith was indicted on federal corruption charges, which led to his expulsion from the IDC on April 14, 2013, and his eventual conviction. On February 26, 2014, Tony Avella left the Senate Democratic Conference to join the IDC.
Governor Andrew Cuomo was actively involved in the formation of the conference, encouraging it to maintain Republican leadership of the chamber and providing tactical advice in order to keep more liberal New York City Democrats out of power.
And he DID pack the courts with conservatives.
The former governor stacked New Yorks highest court with conservatives who hijacked the states redistricting process.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/11/2022-midterms-new-york-republicans-cuomo-maloney.html
A year ago, Democrats were wise to the possibility that the midterms might get ugly, but they had high hopes for New York. Red states across the country were redrawing voting districts to a new extreme, shoring up congressional advantages for their party. New York, it seemed, could do the same for Democratsmake the state even bluer, a competitive rejoinder to a redistricting cycle that seemed certain to play to Republicans advantage.
The year 2021 marked the first time in a century that the New York Democrats had total control of state government, giving them unimpeded power in redistricting. Party leaders optimistically predicted that new district lines could safeguard Democrats and imperil as many as five Republican seats, noted the New York Times. Rumors circulated that Dems could lock in as much as a 23 to 3 advantage. Today, all of that seems like a far-off fantasy.
A startling nine of New Yorks 26 congressional seats are currently in play for the GOP; party leaders are flocking to the state to help campaign for Democrats holding on by a thread. Jill Biden announced Thursday that she would campaign for one such Democrat, Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney, who opted to run in an easier, bluer district and was put in charge of House Democrats entire national reelection apparatus, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Hes now on the ropes.
What the hell happened here? And whos to blame?
Luckily, theres an easy answer for the last question: Look no further than erstwhile Democratic governor Andrew Cuomo.
If Cuomo is known for anything beyond his miscreant behavior in office, it should be for his willingness to abet the states conservative forces for his personal gain, often to his own partys disadvantage. Nowhere was this more obvious than his judicial appointments, where Cuomo routinely elevated conservative appointeesgleefully scoring points against his progressive opponents in Albany and New York City by moving the judicial branch rapidly to the right.
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/11/2022-midterms-new-york-republicans-cuomo-maloney.html
A year ago, Democrats were wise to the possibility that the midterms might get ugly, but they had high hopes for New York. Red states across the country were redrawing voting districts to a new extreme, shoring up congressional advantages for their party. New York, it seemed, could do the same for Democratsmake the state even bluer, a competitive rejoinder to a redistricting cycle that seemed certain to play to Republicans advantage.
The year 2021 marked the first time in a century that the New York Democrats had total control of state government, giving them unimpeded power in redistricting. Party leaders optimistically predicted that new district lines could safeguard Democrats and imperil as many as five Republican seats, noted the New York Times. Rumors circulated that Dems could lock in as much as a 23 to 3 advantage. Today, all of that seems like a far-off fantasy.
A startling nine of New Yorks 26 congressional seats are currently in play for the GOP; party leaders are flocking to the state to help campaign for Democrats holding on by a thread. Jill Biden announced Thursday that she would campaign for one such Democrat, Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney, who opted to run in an easier, bluer district and was put in charge of House Democrats entire national reelection apparatus, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Hes now on the ropes.
What the hell happened here? And whos to blame?
Luckily, theres an easy answer for the last question: Look no further than erstwhile Democratic governor Andrew Cuomo.
If Cuomo is known for anything beyond his miscreant behavior in office, it should be for his willingness to abet the states conservative forces for his personal gain, often to his own partys disadvantage. Nowhere was this more obvious than his judicial appointments, where Cuomo routinely elevated conservative appointeesgleefully scoring points against his progressive opponents in Albany and New York City by moving the judicial branch rapidly to the right.
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His never-ending quest for power concentration and hatred of the NYC+ liberal/prog block in the 2 statehouse chambers, especially the Senate, his dodgy, so-called independent redistricting schemes, and his conservative court packing could likely be the coups de grâce that end up costing us control of the US House in 2022.
The original Dem map (26 seats, NY lost one seat to redistricting due to a TINY few thousand falling short in population)
in NY was
23-3 Dem favouring
21-5 strong Dem favouring
If we lose NY-22 (not looking good at all)
the final results will be a disastrous
15 Dem 11 Rethug
so a net swing loss of 12 to 16 seats (6 to 8 loss for us, 6 to 8 gain for the Rethugs)
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FOUND the problem.... They couldn't count MAIL IN BALLOTS ahead of election day
TigressDem
Nov 2022
#81
Something is seriously wrong with this country if she gets voted out and MTG and Boebert stay.
Irish_Dem
Nov 2022
#71
The amount of injustice running rampant in our elections is truly shameful.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Nov 2022
#70
and a talk radio district. dem party lets republicans attack dems like katie w/radio
certainot
Nov 2022
#48
Absolutely! She's a thorn in their side which they badly want to remove. nt
eppur_se_muova
Nov 2022
#39
Yup, they ran attack ads against her 24/7, basically blaming her for inflation.
SunSeeker
Nov 2022
#29
I'm not sure people realize what an accomplishment it for a liberal Democrat to win this district.
Just A Box Of Rain
Nov 2022
#77
Oh I know. I knocked on doors for Katie last month. There are SO many MAGA loons in her district.
SunSeeker
Nov 2022
#78
Not sure how they were investing their ad money, but for LA area television buys
Just A Box Of Rain
Nov 2022
#76
NY did not drop the ball, they were fucked over by the system that Cuomo rammed into place
Celerity
Nov 2022
#83
Democrats will forever bring baked goods to the street fights we are going to have across this
NoMoreRepugs
Nov 2022
#40
She loses then her district should get free mental health evals for those who voted against her.
Pepsidog
Nov 2022
#46
Took these pics Monday at a canvassing event with the Pod Save America guys...
SleeplessinSoCal
Nov 2022
#64