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pnwmom

(110,301 posts)
Tue Nov 22, 2022, 02:03 PM Nov 2022

Garland and the DOJ are NOT holding up the prosecution of the MAL case. Who is? [View all]

Judge Cannon, through her appointment of the Special Master.

But there's hope. Cannon has already lost her attempt to keep the DOJ from accessing the classified documents. Today there's a hearing on the DOJ's appeal regarding the appointment of the Special Master.

Don't all the complainers want the strongest possible case to be made against Trump? I do.

So now we have to wait to see what the appeals court eventually rules after today's hearing.

Garland's an easy target for our frustration, but we're waiting on the COURTS, not on the DOJ.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/11/22/11th-circuit-showdown-the-fight-to-get-the-documents-to-charge-against-trump/

A 2PM Eastern today, an 11th Circuit panel including William Pryor, Britt Grant, and Andrew Brasher will consider DOJ’s expedited motion to overturn Judge Aileen Cannon’s decision to appoint a Special Master. Oral arguments should be available here. The briefs are here:

DOJ Appeal
Trump Response
DOJ Reply

SNIP

For the reasons I laid out here, the decision the 11th Circuit makes, and how quickly they make it, will dictate how quickly DOJ could charge the stolen document case.

SNIP

Trump’s team has been aggressively trying to prevent DOJ from keeping possession of these documents, by claiming that the first packet is both personal, attorney-client, and Executive privileged, and by claiming that other pardon packets can be Trump’s personal possession. It’s highly likely that Raymond Dearie will rule for DOJ on both those disputes. But if and when he does, Trump would object and Aileen Cannon would get to consider it anew.

That would make these documents unavailable for investigative purposes until after the new year. Whereas, if the 11th Circuit rules for DOJ, the government would be able to present these to a grand jury within weeks (assuming a quick decision and SCOTUS declining to review the decision, as happened with the last decision).

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She's a run-of-the-mill (actually worse than that) Judge, not Justice... ONLY SCOTUS are Justices hlthe2b Nov 2022 #1
Yeah, just a typo, but the point is she's still blocking a prosecution at this point. n/t pnwmom Nov 2022 #2
Yes Joinfortmill Nov 2022 #24
I think you meant Cannon, not Collins Fiendish Thingy Nov 2022 #3
Right -- hopefully it will be resolved soon, but people here have been complaining pnwmom Nov 2022 #25
Well, once the appeal is resolved then we'll know for sure Fiendish Thingy Nov 2022 #29
Matt Gaetz says he will defund the special counsel gab13by13 Nov 2022 #4
He can't defund anyone. But who are you talking about him defunding? pnwmom Nov 2022 #6
You are fully aware this cannot happen... Ohio Joe Nov 2022 #14
TY.. here's Hoping! nt Cha Nov 2022 #5
an interactive time-line chart would be handy right about now msfiddlestix Nov 2022 #7
Here is a partial timeline for this case LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #10
thank you! So today is the 22nd of Novemberwonder how the oral arguments went? msfiddlestix Nov 2022 #33
Oral arguments in appeal of Special Master ruling were amusing LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #8
I am hopeful, too, after listening to the arguments. I'm not a lawyer but pnwmom Nov 2022 #9
The above reads like they were aggravated. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2022 #12
What reads like they were aggravated? I listened to the whole hearing pnwmom Nov 2022 #17
The thread that LetMyPeopleVote posted ... Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2022 #18
I thought he meant that the judges were aggravated with the DOJ. pnwmom Nov 2022 #26
That is precious. Thank you for posting! Made my day. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2022 #11
LMPV... You should make this an OP... Ohio Joe Nov 2022 #16
Done LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #19
great read, thanks! Takket Nov 2022 #37
The entire purpose of a Special Prosecutor is to take the application OUT of DOJ iemanja Nov 2022 #13
No, that's not true. The Special Counsel has inherited the DOJ team pnwmom Nov 2022 #15
The DOJ has told 11th Circuit and Judge Loose Cannon that Special counsel is in charge LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #20
Right. And he's doing that from Europe -- till he's finished pnwmom Nov 2022 #21
You can do a great deal remotely LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2022 #23
That's not how Mueller worked iemanja Nov 2022 #27
Mueller came on at the BEGINNING and had to, as someone put it, pnwmom Nov 2022 #28
As I said to the other poster iemanja Nov 2022 #32
This isn't a Special Prosecutor or an Independent Counsel. That law expired in 1999. pnwmom Nov 2022 #35
There wasn't an ongoing investigation when Mueller was appointed Fiendish Thingy Nov 2022 #30
So you're saying the SC is just a formality? iemanja Nov 2022 #31
Of course not Fiendish Thingy Nov 2022 #34
NO. Before Garland was the direct report of the attorneys working on the Trump cases. pnwmom Nov 2022 #36
Thank you. Joinfortmill Nov 2022 #22
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