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bucolic_frolic

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34. Most people agree with Hobbes, people cannot be compelled to give up the right of self defense

Sun Nov 27, 2022, 08:28 PM

Nov 2022

It's the basis for the 5th amendment. You are always justified in defending yourself.

We have no way to repeal 2A. None. We couldn't get half the guns tuned in if they offered $1000 each. If you make them illegal, only crooks will keep theirs. How safe are we then?

Licensing and insurance are the way to go. Until we figure out how to get inside some peoples' heads to see what's going on.

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Repeal the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution [View all] Stuart G Nov 2022 OP

I'd vote for that. LakeArenal Nov 2022 #1

It's not a thing you get to vote for. maxsolomon Nov 2022 #117

It's just a phrase. LakeArenal Nov 2022 #118

38 states to ratify. roamer65 Nov 2022 #2

Repeal is the hard way. Chainfire Nov 2022 #10

This! The Supreme Court overstepped wildly on this one FakeNoose Nov 2022 #38

Which really goes back to dark money owning our elected officials and now the supreme court. BComplex Nov 2022 #52

I think it depends Polybius Nov 2022 #60

You seriously think any SC would rule for a total ban of all private gun ownership ? MichMan Nov 2022 #70

Of course not. What the court could do is determine that there is not an inviolable right Chainfire Nov 2022 #81

The Court has already ruled that. Straw Man Nov 2022 #102

Honestly that's on the same level as "Terraform Mars to a perfect year-round Cali climate in 30 yrs" WarGamer Nov 2022 #3

Why make a siren call to those in the underworld? 48656c6c6f20 Nov 2022 #4

I mean...we can't even get legislation controlling assault weapons through the Senate. tritsofme Nov 2022 #5

YES, YOU ARE CORRECT. "We can't even get legislation t control assault weapons through the Senate." Stuart G Nov 2022 #9

Easier way is to stack the Supreme Court and start reversing past gun rulings. roamer65 Nov 2022 #6

It would be easier to expand the Supreme Court Mr.Bill Nov 2022 #7

Not only is it not feasible Zeitghost Nov 2022 #8

We need a discussion about this problem and proposing an amendment is a way to do this. Stuart G Nov 2022 #11

An if that discussion Zeitghost Nov 2022 #12

The opposite is true onenote Nov 2022 #63

You would be fueling the "they are coming for our guns" claim but even more intensely because SYFROYH Nov 2022 #94

The process is simple sarisataka Nov 2022 #13

I wish! 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2022 #14

I wish too. That is the point of this discussion. Stuart G Nov 2022 #15

"I wish" pretty much sums it up. ShazzieB Nov 2022 #37

Dozens of State constitutions also have the right be bear arms in them NickB79 Nov 2022 #16

Let the states decide this..as opposed to the U.S. Constitution.. Stuart G Nov 2022 #20

That would be as useless as the current situation re: abortion. Ocelot II Nov 2022 #40

Do you support an assault weapons ban? Polybius Nov 2022 #61

I support a nation-wide assault weapons ban. Everywhere in the U.S.A. Stuart G Nov 2022 #91

Ok, let's game this out, MarineCombatEngineer Nov 2022 #95

Criminals in state "Q" would turn in all their guns ? MichMan Nov 2022 #71

Let the states decide like they are doing now with abortion? Kaleva Nov 2022 #82

Ummm inthewind21 Nov 2022 #90

I think we should just get rid of the "shall not be infringed" part. Initech Nov 2022 #17

The 2A has been legally misinterpreted. "A well regulated Militia " Deuxcents Nov 2022 #18

No. Absolutely No. Xolodno Nov 2022 #19

I think you are wrong..Guns have nothing to do with "free speech" "religion" etc. Stuart G Nov 2022 #21

You actually made my point. Xolodno Nov 2022 #29

+1. key phrase here, "given the electoral map" stopdiggin Nov 2022 #39

That's a very valid point, Xolodno, but we really need to stop children from dying NewsCenter28 Nov 2022 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Nov 2022 #85

Ain't gonna happen. Aside from gun nuts and afeared people... TreasonousBastard Nov 2022 #22

I have a college friend melm00se Nov 2022 #79

Yeah inthewind21 Nov 2022 #92

Hell, we couldn't even pass the ERA - no chance for 2nd Amendment repeal. walkingman Nov 2022 #23

Even with a constitutional convention...... The Grand Illuminist Nov 2022 #24

And with a Constitutional Convention Darwins_Retriever Nov 2022 #72

Only 2 things the rw have advantage of with a convention... The Grand Illuminist Nov 2022 #129

rewrite it so even gun humping morons can understand Skittles Nov 2022 #25

There are reconstructed minutes from the 1st congress IbogaProject Nov 2022 #26

Well after the Bill of Rights was passed.. EX500rider Nov 2022 #109

Bullets didn't exist then IbogaProject Nov 2022 #112

That's hardly relevant as to what they meant with the 2nd Adm. EX500rider Nov 2022 #114

What did and didn't exist when a law passed is very imporant IbogaProject Nov 2022 #115

By this logic sarisataka Nov 2022 #119

TV is regularly censored IbogaProject Nov 2022 #126

TV is censored? sarisataka Nov 2022 #127

Except the 2nd mentions neither rifles or pistols EX500rider Nov 2022 #123

As to insurance I don't think it will do what you want.. EX500rider Nov 2022 #124

Why not? IbogaProject Nov 2022 #125

Uninsured drivers is one thing EX500rider Nov 2022 #128

So if pistols and rifles that could shoot multiple rounds existed in 1789, modern repeaters would.. SYFROYH Nov 2022 #131

There were genocidal murders of Native Americans and they did nothing. GreenWave Nov 2022 #27

Most people didn't know about that genocide until "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" was published by Stuart G Nov 2022 #28

The US cavalry filed reports. I read some of them. GreenWave Nov 2022 #78

i am okay with that. barbtries Nov 2022 #30

So what does that tell you? Nt sarisataka Nov 2022 #33

it ain't gonna happen. barbtries Nov 2022 #35

never happen in my or your life time republianmushroom Nov 2022 #31

There is not a single state that would propose or even ratify repeal onenote Nov 2022 #32

Most people agree with Hobbes, people cannot be compelled to give up the right of self defense bucolic_frolic Nov 2022 #34

Simple Orrex Nov 2022 #43

Hold the strick constructionists to strict construction? Love to see it ... /nt bucolic_frolic Nov 2022 #49

Wow! So if the government does not like a certain newspaper publisher they can just ban kelly1mm Nov 2022 #51

I love it when people assign opinions to me and then take me to task for those opinions Orrex Nov 2022 #53

Its called an analogy - look it up. If the government can ban the sale of guns and not be in kelly1mm Nov 2022 #55

Well aren't you clever! Orrex Nov 2022 #56

Nope. We are done here. It is obvious you are not serious. We both know that there kelly1mm Nov 2022 #57

We were done here as soon as you replied. Shame on me for humoring you. Orrex Nov 2022 #59

Yes. I look forward to the USSC agreeing with your position. Don't hold your breath .... nt kelly1mm Nov 2022 #69

If House and Senate Dems had reformed SCOTUS while they had the chance NewsCenter28 Nov 2022 #74

It's going to take mass casualties at a gun show to end this terror. Simeon Salus Nov 2022 #36

If murdering five-year-olds at an elementary school wasn't enough, Ocelot II Nov 2022 #41

You've never been to a gun show, have you. SYFROYH Nov 2022 #88

Nice idea and I would love to see it, but as long as we are writing science fiction here ..... dobleremolque Nov 2022 #42

Not repealed, modified. Whatthe_Firetruck Nov 2022 #44

Militia has been defined in the Militia Act of 1903 (per Title 10 of the U.S. Code, Section 311) EX500rider Nov 2022 #110

Question: and then what? brooklynite Nov 2022 #45

I have thought about this for a while since I posted the original post. Stuart G Nov 2022 #47

Automatics are already illegal Polybius Nov 2022 #62

You and I can buy and own automatic guns Kaleva Nov 2022 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author Polybius Nov 2022 #98

You have to get a judge's signature Polybius Nov 2022 #99

No you dont Kaleva Nov 2022 #100

Very interesting Polybius Nov 2022 #104

NYC itself may have tighter restrictions on automatic weapons Kaleva Nov 2022 #106

I don't even bother to try and get a handgun here, it's too much work last I checked Polybius Nov 2022 #107

Sorry, BUT I am a gun owner Smackdown2019 Nov 2022 #46

Something I would love to see. NewHendoLib Nov 2022 #48

OK, The point has been made that.... reACTIONary Nov 2022 #50

Efforts at repeal will make lesser restrictions more difficult to pass onenote Nov 2022 #65

Yes. Straw Man Nov 2022 #105

Good points. nt reACTIONary Nov 2022 #121

Not necessary JackSabbath Nov 2022 #54

If that what it meant when written.. EX500rider Nov 2022 #111

I think not. Im good with the 2nd Amendment. SYFROYH Nov 2022 #58

It's sad that Americans value the 2A more than the life of a dead child in Uvalve-n/t NewsCenter28 Nov 2022 #73

I think we can do both - value the lives of all people as well as protect civil liberties SYFROYH Nov 2022 #86

Huh, this may work, why as no one thought of it before? Fla_Democrat Nov 2022 #64

Texas Paul has a thought...for now...(not to change the original subject) NowsTheTime Nov 2022 #66

Drunk driving used to be no big deal. Now it is. hunter Nov 2022 #67

Yet, prohibition didn't return, and sales of cigarettes are still allowed MichMan Nov 2022 #76

Guns are a lot less popular than people living in the gun bubble think. hunter Nov 2022 #77

Funny, no one said guns sarisataka Nov 2022 #83

Nobody asked my advice. hunter Nov 2022 #89

I think you are severely underestimating the popularity of hunting in many states MichMan Nov 2022 #84

I didn't pass it down to my children. hunter Nov 2022 #87

Causing a even BIGGER need for firearms while in the wild IMO nt EX500rider Nov 2022 #113

That would be pretty cool. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2022 #116

Absolutely EnergizedLib Nov 2022 #68

Just wait a bit inthewind21 Nov 2022 #93

When the movement to repeal matches the energy of the civil rights movement... Kaleva Nov 2022 #80

The Prohibition movement seems a more apt analogy. tritsofme Nov 2022 #96

The prohibition movement was an effort to enact sn Amendment Kaleva Nov 2022 #103

Prohibition was a movement to restrict or remove rights/privileges. tritsofme Nov 2022 #108

But there was no Amendment in the Constitution for the Prohibitionists to repeal Kaleva Nov 2022 #120

Not sure why you find that so important? Both are seeking to change the Constitution. tritsofme Nov 2022 #122

What would a Founding Father say? Let's ask! ThoughtCriminal Nov 2022 #101

I think you will need more support ripcord Nov 2022 #130

This has been a good and lively debate about guns in GD. SYFROYH Nov 2022 #132