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Nevilledog

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Wed Nov 30, 2022, 03:43 PM Nov 2022

Charles Pierce: The Ghoulish Hubris of Letting People Die and Calling That Bravery [View all]

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a42111965/ron-desantis-courage-to-be-free/

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Presumably, they all sat witness at hospitals and bedsides. Presumably, they all made the arrangements and attended the funerals and laughed over the cold cuts and bulky rolls, and the beer and whiskey afterwards. Presumably, they all still mourn. But did any of them learn anything? Did any of them learn anything that they subsequently put into practice? Who were these people anyway, and what kind of monster did you have to be to lead them on? Who lives through a pandemic and makes war on the cures?

In September, the National Bureau of Economic Research attempted to answer all of these questions. And the answers remain, well, baffling even as Florida Gov. Ronald DeSantis (to name only one example) runs for president on the basis of his “highly successful” COVID policies, which held the butcher’s bill in that state to a mere 82,875.

We estimate substantially higher excess death rates for registered Republicans when compared to registered Democrats, with almost all of the difference concentrated in the period after vaccines were widely available in our study states. Overall, the excess death rate for Republicans was 5.4 percentage points (pp), or 76%, higher than the excess death rate for Democrats. Post-vaccines, the excess death rate gap between Republicans and Democrats widened from 1.6 pp (22% of the Democrat excess death rate) to 10.4 pp (153% of the Democrat excess death rate). The gap in excess death rates between Republicans and Democrats is concentrated in counties with low vaccination rates and only materializes after vaccines became widely available.

Then there was this finding, which was both predictable and utterly bizarre:

Overall, our results suggest that political party affiliation only became a substantial risk factor in Ohio and Florida after vaccines were widely available.

In other words, within this particular demographic slice of our fellow citizens, after the arrival of the vaccines that protected us from the pandemic, the pandemic got…worse, and political affiliation was a contributing factor. I’m not sure I ever want to meet anyone whose mind is not blown by this fact. But I’m damn sure not voting for a guy whose platform is built on pride in his “I was brave enough to do nothing” performance in the face of a once-a-century public health emergency.

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K&R Solly Mack Nov 2022 #1
I'm having a hard time regretting these numbers. The less idiots the better. Coventina Nov 2022 #2
I know how you feel, Coventina. calimary Nov 2022 #6
Dupe. My apologies. calimary Nov 2022 #10
LOL! Coventina Nov 2022 #21
One of the secretaries in my office lost her dad and husband to Covid. Dustlawyer Nov 2022 #20
I have no words. Coventina Nov 2022 #22
The good news is that you gad your vaccines and boosters somshe malaise Nov 2022 #24
And yet I'm sure she drives a car. paleotn Nov 2022 #27
A really good example of how we're not going to be able to fix these bitter divisions. Mind is shut Evolve Dammit Dec 2022 #33
My husband's friend, an otherwise lovely man, was a Trumper. shrike3 Dec 2022 #45
Just imagine the gap in deaths if COVID were more deadly. Probatim Nov 2022 #23
Exactly! paleotn Nov 2022 #28
I personally know 3 trumper, non-vaxxed people MOMFUDSKI Nov 2022 #26
3 less voters for the dark side. Coventina Nov 2022 #30
Yet shockingly gratuitous Nov 2022 #3
Or maybe something to be said for the way voting has been rigged in Florida? erronis Nov 2022 #14
and there is evidence that a large number of Dems left Florida during/after Covid CharleyDog Nov 2022 #17
yes Skittles Nov 2022 #19
Florida...go for the sunshine...stay for the OJ and fascism... littlemissmartypants Dec 2022 #37
Repost Thanx to DUer TigressDem / Death Rate for UNVACCINATED age 50+ is through the roof. Botany Nov 2022 #4
It's weird. Their own are the ones who are dying. ananda Nov 2022 #5
They're just accelerating the great demographic shift of Gen Z/Millennials taking over politically. Sky Jewels Nov 2022 #9
Problem is they still go to the hospital IbogaProject Nov 2022 #25
Info from twitter- shortage of school bus drivers in Ohio irisblue Nov 2022 #7
I heard on NPR the other day that there's a Santa shortage this year. littlemissmartypants Dec 2022 #38
My question for both of these roles: GopherGal Dec 2022 #43
Santas died. I imagine bus drivers did too. It's less likely that they are littlemissmartypants Dec 2022 #44
Zero sum thinking? Aussie105 Nov 2022 #8
US Coronavirus Deaths Per Day littlemissmartypants Dec 2022 #39
K&R mountain grammy Nov 2022 #11
K&R. dchill Nov 2022 #12
K&R onecaliberal Nov 2022 #13
Loathsome creatures Hekate Nov 2022 #15
DeSantis will spin it his way turbo_satan Nov 2022 #16
Couple this with the statistics about deaths from gunshots WestMichRad Nov 2022 #18
Might this make a difference in elections? wryter2000 Nov 2022 #29
Even the vulnerable vaccinated died between development of vaccines and boosters in FL. Timeflyer Dec 2022 #31
k& highly recommended bagimin Dec 2022 #32
The official COVID death numbers in FLA are a lie. DeSantis had a range of COVID deaths Ford_Prefect Dec 2022 #34
I have been emphasizing and documenting this story... hay rick Dec 2022 #35
Fantastic! I know that was a lot of work. Have you considered cross posting to the Florida group? littlemissmartypants Dec 2022 #40
Well done! gristy Dec 2022 #42
I Thought This Thread RobinA Dec 2022 #36
If you're wondering how many mass shootings it will take to make them reconsider gun control, paulkienitz Dec 2022 #41
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