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bucolic_frolic

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1. I'll be glad to see the end of IA and NH going first

Sat Dec 3, 2022, 10:09 AM

Dec 2022

NH has boosted most in my opinion because it's been second. But both are representative of rural Democrats who are more white than national average. Not sure that delivers a potential presidential winner for southern states, and states with the 20-30 largest cities in the country.

Absolutely agree with Biden's preference to go with SC. We need to include the south like never before because you never know how NY, NJ, WI, VA are going to go in the Electoral count. Stop playing safe and go with Dean's 50 state strategy. Biden has told us, "The best ideas win." Wow do we have an edge there. Bring it.

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The arguments I hear against Iowa and Michigan going first are all flawed... [View all] brooklynite Dec 2022 OP

I'll be glad to see the end of IA and NH going first bucolic_frolic Dec 2022 #1

Four of the last five in Iowa ended up being the overall nominee MichMan Dec 2022 #3

Or did IA begin a bandwagon that subsequent states followed? bucolic_frolic Dec 2022 #4

What candidates would you have preferred over the ones that won Iowa ? MichMan Dec 2022 #5

We might have won either Gore or Kerry's election with a different candidate. Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #7

That is what I think. They will nominate candidates who won't win...and it will get worse. Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #16

Iowa first intelpug Dec 2022 #34

Only two candidates who won Iowa ended in the White House: Junior in 2000 and Obama in 2008 question everything Dec 2022 #32

Who should Iowa have selected in 2016 ? MichMan Dec 2022 #35

She was not the "wrong" pick. She was my choice in both 2008 and 2016 question everything Dec 2022 #45

Kerry should not have been the nominee Renew Deal Dec 2022 #41

I'm glad that other states are being moved up. yardwork Dec 2022 #2

Iowa needs to go away. No more caucuses. Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #6

Whether Iowa goes first of last, there will be a Caucus... brooklynite Dec 2022 #8

If they have a caucus, then they are out as far as I am concerned. I would rather not count their Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #10

So, you are saying just excise Iowa from the process altogether? Bettie Dec 2022 #37

Also, unless they are first, it really doesn't matter. We have no Democrats in Iowa nationally. Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #12

I would add that it will increasingly lead to unelectable candidates if we continue to allow those Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #9

Democrats have won the popular vote every election since 1992 except 2004 Renew Deal Dec 2022 #42

South Carolina is not a great choice pinkstarburst Dec 2022 #11

SC has voted for the Democratic Presidential nominee only twice in the last 60 years, jalan48 Dec 2022 #13

We need candidates who can appeal to AA. We can't win without them. If a candidate can't get Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #15

So, is SC the only state with AA? jalan48 Dec 2022 #17

It is a really good state for it...because most of the Democrats here are minority. Thus, it clearly Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #20

A point to consider is the structure and strength of the Dem party within the state. Wingus Dingus Dec 2022 #21

I think it shows the preferences of one of the most conservative states in the country and jalan48 Dec 2022 #23

Joe Biden won. Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #26

Why should Nevada and New Hampshire be 2nd and 3rd then? MichMan Dec 2022 #27

I don't see why they should. Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #47

Thanks to 82 year old Clyburn. How long do you think he will be able to round the troops? question everything Dec 2022 #33

If that's the standard, we shouldn't change anything. Renew Deal Dec 2022 #43

It is not about a swing state in this case. It is about seeing if a candidate can win minority Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #14

✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ n/t msfiddlestix Dec 2022 #44

It's about the Dem party taking more control of the process. Wingus Dingus Dec 2022 #18

That is the wrong question. Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #48

IA and NH Determine the Initial Viability of Candidates Indykatie Dec 2022 #19

I'll ask again: name a candidate you like who was "drummed out" due to IA and NH results? brooklynite Dec 2022 #25

Joe Biden Sogo Dec 2022 #39

Nope. Io a in particular with a caucus Demsrule86 Dec 2022 #49

SC is not a representative State either, just for different reasons Tom Rinaldo Dec 2022 #22

Iowa caucuses, built on myth, lose place at head of the line LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #24

How is New Hampshire losing it's early place ? MichMan Dec 2022 #36

I always thought Illinois should be the first state Poiuyt Dec 2022 #28

Be very expensive to run Trenzalore Dec 2022 #30

I wonder if that's why people are opposed to small states being first MichMan Dec 2022 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author MichMan Dec 2022 #50

The first four primaries should be in small states Trenzalore Dec 2022 #29

Flaws in your arguments question everything Dec 2022 #31

There aren't any good answers to this problem Renew Deal Dec 2022 #40

LOL BannonsLiver Dec 2022 #46