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NNadir

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45. It's an OK nuclear fuel cycle.
Sat Dec 17, 2022, 12:45 AM
Dec 2022

I do think it's a bit over hyped, and my personal view is that the uranium/plutonium cycle has more to recommend it, particularly in the next century when we will need to scale up nuclear energy much faster than the thorium/U-233 cycle will allow.

Although thorium can be used in a thermal neutron cycle as a breeder, the doubling time is much longer than it is for the uranium/plutonium cycle.

This said, we have lots of "waste" thorium from the tailings of lanthanide mining, so I believe this material should be incorporated into the nuclear fuel cycle, in particular in CANDU type heavy water reactors. The recent refurbishment of the Darlington CANDUs and the decision to do the same with the Pickering reactors in Canada should be available for a switch to a thorium cycle. CANDUs however are designed for low burn ups, and it may be necessary to consider changes to the fuel cladding, although I'm not sure this is the case.

But we have more highly purified uranium, enough, if converted to plutonium, to provide for all of humanity's energy needs for centuries, no coal mines, no oil or gas fields fracked or otherwise, no wilderness converted into industrial parks for wind turbines and solar arrays.

The comparatively high solubility of uranium in seawater with respect to thorium means that uranium is essentially infinitely sustainable, whereas there is a limit to how long thorium reserves will last, probably limited to a few millennia.

I'm not against thorium; it's a niche fuel of some value; but overall I'm a uranium/plutonium fuel cycle kind of guy.

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We watched Tyson's video yesterday - cilla4progress Dec 2022 #13
I want to be on board with his positive view, but his video didn't persuade me yet nt Shermann Dec 2022 #16
Trust me, it's a nothing burger. The hullabaloo is a function... NNadir Dec 2022 #26
The coverage is light on details regarding what exactly was learned or invented or done differently Shermann Dec 2022 #27
It may have some theoretical value related issues connected with the strong nuclear force... NNadir Dec 2022 #32
What's your opinion on Thorium? oldsoftie Dec 2022 #43
It's an OK nuclear fuel cycle. NNadir Dec 2022 #45
Thank you! I now know a helluva lot more than before! oldsoftie Dec 2022 #50
The Biden administration is being, less and less discreetly, supportive of nuclear energy. NNadir Dec 2022 #56
I live in GA; Voglte has taken WAAAAY too long. Its ridiculous. oldsoftie Dec 2022 #57
I blame the situation on the fear and ignorance of the anti-nuke community,. NNadir Dec 2022 #58
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Not to mention the tritium problem. paleotn Dec 2022 #35
Where any of these rarities apparent after nukes were exploded for the first time? Thx in adavance uponit7771 Dec 2022 #40
They were largely generated in situ using lithium deuteride. NNadir Dec 2022 #41
Thx, I'm just thinking mankind finds a way to mass produce a close enough when we have to ... uponit7771 Dec 2022 #42
Yep. Tritium is rare. paleotn Dec 2022 #53
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