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31. It's not an issue of morality

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 17, 2022, 09:00 PM

Dec 2022

but rather the lessons of history suggest that devastated losing parties in war can lead to dire consequences, eg. the end of WWI, which gave rise to Nazi Germany. He fears a free for all in Russia, which still maintains lots of nuclear weapons. You may see that as morally equal to the present condition, but it could be lethal for humanity.

For Kissinger, foreign relations has never been about morality, for better or worse.

I don't agree with his call for peace talks in Russia because I don't see Russia as an honest broker in this situation. What Kissinger is not doing, most certainly, is "weeping for Pooty." Nor is he advocating for Russian control over Ukraine, with the exception of Crimea.

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Kissinger weeps for Pooty Poot [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2022 OP

THe Consequences To The Entire World Could Be Peace Me. Dec 2022 #1

Sounds like Kissinger supports the empowerment of the current libertarian oligarchs and oil-agarchs. ShazamIam Dec 2022 #2

I don't support a damn thing Kissinger said. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2022 #5

I didn't think he was still alive, what is he, 120? Meadowoak Dec 2022 #7

I believe he's 100 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2022 #8

He's 99. He'll be 100 in May. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #13

Evil Lives. sarcasmo Dec 2022 #14

At least you didn't have to delete my post like on that other thread. /lol ShazamIam Dec 2022 #16

He always loves him some Capitalist Autocrats. haele Dec 2022 #22

The ultimate sin of Communisim? Mopar151 Dec 2022 #54

Yo, Hank: Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #3

LOL Blue Owl Dec 2022 #4

"German-born political consultant" - pretty much his legacy in a nutshell . . . hatrack Dec 2022 #6

I begin to think that evil SOB will never fucking die. Autumn Dec 2022 #9

The Spectator magazine is, indeed, MAGA. LastDemocratInSC Dec 2022 #10

What a load of crap. I remember years ago when Kissinger said Walleye Dec 2022 #11

Wasn't he right? Renew Deal Dec 2022 #24

Yep I can hear him saying it, and I thought about it immediately when Putin invaded Ukraine Walleye Dec 2022 #25

The Cambodia killer weeps for Putin. 3,875 bombings in Cambodia. sarcasmo Dec 2022 #12

My brain hurts.... LeftInTX Dec 2022 #15

kissinger has always kissed up to dictators and fascists instead of Democracies samsingh Dec 2022 #17

I don't think most of you read the article iemanja Dec 2022 #20

For some of us it is memory, not free association. wnylib Dec 2022 #26

Your post is far more thoughtful than the one I responded to iemanja Dec 2022 #33

I read the MSN/Newsweek article, and the post above seems accurate about Kissinger's take muriel_volestrangler Dec 2022 #29

It's not an issue of morality iemanja Dec 2022 #31

Well, no, he called for the border to be that before Feb 24th, ie the Donbas as well as Crimea muriel_volestrangler Dec 2022 #43

"A peace process should link Ukraine to Nato, however expressed." Sympthsical Dec 2022 #36

Putin would find Ukraine membership in Nato unacceptable iemanja Dec 2022 #37

I agree with your view of the situation Sympthsical Dec 2022 #44

You hadn't posted when I made the comment iemanja Dec 2022 #55

I lived when he was in power. I don't have to read an article about him. He has lived too long. Autumn Dec 2022 #53

God, I cannot stand ellie Dec 2022 #18

He's not weeping for Putin iemanja Dec 2022 #19

I read Kissinger's original article. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #28

I didn't see where he thought Russia maintaining hold over Ukraine was a desirable option iemanja Dec 2022 #30

Whether "desirable" or not desirable, under Kissinger's "plan" Russia would control Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #48

Not "full stop" iemanja Dec 2022 #49

Not correct. Kissinger said the pre-invasion boundaries would hold. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #51

Hardly the entirety of Ukraine iemanja Dec 2022 #56

Dead wrong, yet again. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #57

Not true. That is your invention. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #60

Direct quote iemanja Dec 2022 #58

No, the words I choose are entirely clear and entirely accurate. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Raine Dec 2022 #21

I don't think he's crazy Renew Deal Dec 2022 #23

I'm throwing up. Baitball Blogger Dec 2022 #27

The 10 most ghoulish quotes of Henry Kissinger's gruesome career BlueWaveNeverEnd Dec 2022 #32

Frankly, that sounds right. Behind the Aegis Dec 2022 #45

I think Kissinger will outlive Keith Richards Captain Zero Dec 2022 #34

I suggest everyone read it before condemning. maxsolomon Dec 2022 #35

No, it is a contemptable plan that would leave Russia in control of Ukrainian territory Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #39

that's legitimate. maxsolomon Dec 2022 #46

Putin only understands "sticks." Unfortunately. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #47

i don't think there are enough sticks to make him understand. maxsolomon Dec 2022 #62

I entirely disagree. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #64

hope you're right. maxsolomon Dec 2022 #65

Putin should have thought of that before waging war on a neighbor Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #66

He knows a lot about history and geopolitics leftstreet Dec 2022 #38

He's not right now and he has rarely been "right" in his entire career. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #40

He worked for bloodthirsty imperialists, not us n/t leftstreet Dec 2022 #41

Tom Lehrer: "Political satire became obsolete when kissinger was awarded niyad Dec 2022 #42

right? iemanja Dec 2022 #50

Fuck that bastard. He's lived over a hundred years too long. Autumn Dec 2022 #52

piss on that guy anyway KG Dec 2022 #61

"Fuck that guy" r�is�n_dubh Dec 2022 #63