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Showing Original Post only (View all)The 14th Amendment: 'There need not be a criminal conviction or even criminal charges' [View all]
Perhaps the biggest of those surprises is the inclusion of a referral for inciting and assisting an insurrection and giving aid or comfort to insurrectionists under 18 U.S.C. 2383. That law derives from one first enacted in 1862 during the Civil War to provide for criminal penalties against Confederates and their accomplices attempting a violent secession from the Union.
Although the statute is seldom used, the committee is correct in its assessment that it applies to Mr. Trumps conduct by summoning and whipping up the insurrectionists on Jan. 6 and then by failing to take action for three hours. The committee offers numerous examples of relevant misconduct, from Mr. Trumps infamous remarks on the Ellipse, knowing that some of his listeners were armed, to his tweet attacking his vice president, Mike Pence, while the insurrection was underway, to his affectionate comments that day about the rioters (even if asking them to respect law enforcement).
Although the statute is seldom used, the committee is correct in its assessment that it applies to Mr. Trumps conduct by summoning and whipping up the insurrectionists on Jan. 6 and then by failing to take action for three hours. The committee offers numerous examples of relevant misconduct, from Mr. Trumps infamous remarks on the Ellipse, knowing that some of his listeners were armed, to his tweet attacking his vice president, Mike Pence, while the insurrection was underway, to his affectionate comments that day about the rioters (even if asking them to respect law enforcement).
In the 14th Amendment context, citizens could use the committee report to go to their state election officials to argue that Mr. Trump is prohibited from holding office and so from appearing on the ballot. There need not be a criminal conviction or even criminal charges; these citizens can point out that the constitutional prohibition has been prompted by the committees evidence. However those decisions by election officials turn out, the next stop will be the courts, which have already held that Section 3 violators can indeed be barred.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/19/opinion/january-6-trump-criminal-referrals.html
The 14th Amendment was enacted to keep former insurrections out of any office, civil or military, in the United States, whether or not they had been charged or convicted under 18 U.S.C. 2383. It does not contemplate the criminal standard of proof - beyond reasonable doubt. It suggests a common sense finding of facts , although as the OP says, 'the next stop will be the courts'.
Trump was the leader of the January 6th insurrection. That was the J6 Committee's finding of fact - something that will have to tested in the courts, but does not presume a criminal conviction. Can anyone seriously suggest that Jefferson Davis could have stood for Congress after the civil war because he was not convicted under 18 U.S.C. 2383, or other Federal criminal statute?
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speak easy
Dec 2022
OP
Jefferson Davis was pardoned in 1978 by President Carter following an act of Congress.
Rhiannon12866
Dec 2022
#2
I bet Ol' Jeff didn't even thank Jimmie. But more to the point, who will decide if Trump's actions
3Hotdogs
Dec 2022
#5
"or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof" includes doing nothing for hours but watch TV
NullTuples
Dec 2022
#29
Get on to the part of 14A where they shall not serve, mechanisms unspecified
bucolic_frolic
Dec 2022
#4
Actually nothing needs to be proven. Voters have the power within their hands on every level of
Samrob
Dec 2022
#9
If that is the case, the be prepared for Biden to be disqualified in several red states. Nt
Fiendish Thingy
Dec 2022
#21
For the health of Democracy in this country there must be justice, must include trump in jail
Escurumbele
Dec 2022
#14
Tribe on "The Last Word" suggested that the House vote to impeach TFG is sufficient grounds to
Pepsidog
Dec 2022
#20
The trouble is there are an entire set of constitutional 'rules' that govern the election of a
Demsrule86
Dec 2022
#23