Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Emrys

(9,207 posts)
22. A lot of people on DU point the finger at Putin very readily.
Wed Dec 21, 2022, 10:26 AM
Dec 2022

Brexit was brewing for many years, and a lot of the propaganda was initially UK home-grown. You can trace it back to Boris Johnson, who as a "journalist", discovered that he could please his RW bosses and readership by making up ridiculous stories about EU legislation, or twist how that legislation was presented.

Another important factor was US interference from the Mercers and their allies.

Putin and the Mercers were pushing at an open door by the time the crunch came.

As someone who's been very active in the peace movement in my past and who's moved in lefty circles in the UK, I'm afraid a lot of the more vocal "pacifist", "left-wing" world view tends to be (over-)critical of US and NATO influence in world affairs and blind, sometimes wilfully so, to the conduct and motivations of other state actors, like Russia. Back in the 1980s, we used to be accused of being useful idiots for the Soviet Union and in its pay, when for most of us, that was far from true. So I'm reluctant to buy wholesale into focusing on those influences and motivations nowadays. Our problems in these respects are homegrown. If we solely blame other outside parties for them, we have less scope for countering them.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

And the majority of voters will still blame immigrants and Labour for their economic woes... RockRaven Dec 2022 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Dec 2022 #17
Gee inthewind21 Dec 2022 #2
How much moondust Dec 2022 #3
And Putin. NM Grins Dec 2022 #11
Yes, Russia has played a big part in UK politics. ananda Dec 2022 #21
Yet no party with a chance of holding power will campaign to address this: Emrys Dec 2022 #4
What were they Thinking!? Cha Dec 2022 #5
IIRC, after the vote, we British DUers had to spend a week or so explaining to some other DUers Emrys Dec 2022 #7
Wow.. I had no idea.. well Cha Dec 2022 #9
It was tough, annoying, and a bit surprising at times. Emrys Dec 2022 #13
"NeoLiberalism".. oh god! Cha Dec 2022 #15
I did find one UK Group post from the day of the result that will give a taste Emrys Dec 2022 #16
This place was crawling with right-wing trolls in 2016. And they seem to have Scrivener7 Dec 2022 #18
Thank you for Cha Dec 2022 #24
I hadn't read this thread before I posted my comment downthread. yardwork Dec 2022 #20
A lot of people on DU point the finger at Putin very readily. Emrys Dec 2022 #22
I've seen the same in the U.S. Propaganda only works on fertile ground. yardwork Dec 2022 #23
Wow Cosmocat Dec 2022 #27
It was Putin's dream come true. He worked hard to get Brexit passed. Eyeball_Kid Dec 2022 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 2022 #12
Farage. Turbineguy Dec 2022 #8
It's really too bad . . . Richard D Dec 2022 #10
Pure karma. They were amply warned. FlyingPiggy Dec 2022 #14
The response to Brexit here on DU showed that we were being infiltrated and manipulated. yardwork Dec 2022 #19
It's okay -- that's a small price to pay to pwn the left-libs-labour louts. Sky Jewels Dec 2022 #25
Only the Liberal-Democrats (as a party) and the SNP stood foursquare Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #26
Empire enid602 Dec 2022 #28
There were good reasons why the UK joined the EU in the first place. Aussie105 Dec 2022 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author D_Master81 Dec 2022 #30
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Worse than feared': Brexi...»Reply #22