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In reply to the discussion: Ancient 'Jesus midwife' tomb to be excavated by archaeologists Associated Press [View all]Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)16. And yet, the Epistles of St Paul, the 'earliest' time he's mentioned anywhere
Is at least many years after his supposed death.
Why is that?
Per Paulkovich, who kinda wrote the book on 'doubting Jesus was real'
Even in the Bible Paulkovich says Paul, often credited with spreading what would become Christianity, never refers to Jesus as a real person.
Paul is unaware of the virgin mother, and ignorant of Jesus' nativity, parentage, life events, ministry, miracles, apostles, betrayal, trial and harrowing passion, he writes.
Paul knows neither where nor when Jesus lived, and considers the crucifixion metaphorical.
Paul is unaware of the virgin mother, and ignorant of Jesus' nativity, parentage, life events, ministry, miracles, apostles, betrayal, trial and harrowing passion, he writes.
Paul knows neither where nor when Jesus lived, and considers the crucifixion metaphorical.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2776194/Jesus-never-existed-Writer-finds-no-mention-Christ-126-historical-texts-says-mythical-character.html
I know it's the Daily Mail, but it's referencing a scholarly work.
So why is it that the 'closest to contemporaneous' mention of this Jesus character ... has almost NO details about the guys actual life? Shouldn't the closest one logically have the MOST details?
This part of the article you posted also involves some rhetorical slight of hand:
while the detailed biographical accounts of Jesus in the New Testament gospels date from around 40 years after he died. These all appeared within the lifetimes of numerous eyewitnesses, and provide descriptions that comport with the culture and geography of first-century Palestine
And yet ... there's no 'eyewitnesses' who actually wrote anything themselves, nor does the temporal coincidence of these 'biographical accounts' being written within the timeframe where there were possibly still eyewitnesses to Jesus still alive (though how many is 'numerous' I have questions ... 40 years was a long time back then) really prove anything. And an important question not answered there is ... did these biographical accounts have 'interviews' with these supposed 'eyewitnesses'? I don't think so, but even if they did, there's no way to know those aren't fabrications anyway.
I dunno ... there may've been a minor preacher who lived in Nazareth named Jesus who had some followers, but beyond that, I think the record is dubious at best.
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Ancient 'Jesus midwife' tomb to be excavated by archaeologists Associated Press [View all]
magicarpet
Dec 2022
OP
It was a first birth, husband could have been rattled and rushed to seek help.
Irish_Dem
Dec 2022
#2
The story of a midwife is in an apocryphal gospel. And IIRC, the midwife's name isn't Salome;
WhiskeyGrinder
Dec 2022
#3
There's literally no reliable evidence that the Bible's Jesus of Nazareth was anything but
Hugh_Lebowski
Dec 2022
#4
Pretty sure that if one cannot prove there was a Jesus, it logically follows one also
Hugh_Lebowski
Dec 2022
#14
And yet, the Epistles of St Paul, the 'earliest' time he's mentioned anywhere
Hugh_Lebowski
Dec 2022
#16
A trenchant analysis, hell it even sounds like something I'd write nearly verbatim, thanks! (nt)
Hugh_Lebowski
Dec 2022
#24
The most important question when considering whether or not some man-god got sent down
Goodheart
Dec 2022
#34