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Buckeyeblue

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22. It doesn't really matter if Jesus existed

Fri Dec 23, 2022, 12:49 PM

Dec 2022

I'm an atheist. But I do recognize that you can't undo 2 thousand years of Christianity with an existence argument. At this point it really doesn't matter. Christianity is a very big and important part of our culture. Christianity is real, even if it is based on myth.

My guess would be that Christianity was created by a group of people who wanted to break away from Jewish law and tradition. You can't really do that without the son of god showing up and proclaiming himself the messiah. He is both magical, mystical and a nice guy. Who wouldn't want to follow him. Stories get told, books get written. The idea gains traction. And suddenly you've got a new religion.

If the Trump debacle taught us anything, it's that people will believe what they want to believe. What excites them. What verifies them. I don't pretend to understand it but I've watched it play out over the last 7 years.

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Ancient 'Jesus midwife' tomb to be excavated by archaeologists Associated Press [View all] magicarpet Dec 2022 OP

Wouldn't there be a dispute of there being a midwife? LiberalFighter Dec 2022 #1

It was a first birth, husband could have been rattled and rushed to seek help. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #2

The story of a midwife is in an apocryphal gospel. And IIRC, the midwife's name isn't Salome; WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2022 #3

The magi must have pushed her out of the Nativity scene. milestogo Dec 2022 #8

Dicks. Iggo Dec 2022 #26

We Three Dicks milestogo Dec 2022 #28

. Iggo Dec 2022 #29

The magi showed up later. Igel Dec 2022 #31

There's literally no reliable evidence that the Bible's Jesus of Nazareth was anything but Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #4

I don't believe what you're saying is historically accurate. Renew Deal Dec 2022 #5

Wikipedia is wrong. Goodheart Dec 2022 #32

KnR SammyWinstonJack Dec 2022 #6

There is a lot about his brother, James the Just, the head leftyladyfrommo Dec 2022 #7

Pretty sure that if one cannot prove there was a Jesus, it logically follows one also Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #14

There's a ton of information about those people. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2022 #17

"There's a ton of information about those people." Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #30

That book on James is incredibly detailed and he leftyladyfrommo Jan 2023 #41

Everybody knows that Jesus required NDAs of all the people he saved... Wounded Bear Dec 2022 #10

It is accepted by historians that Jesus existed Sympthsical Dec 2022 #11

And yet, the Epistles of St Paul, the 'earliest' time he's mentioned anywhere Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #16

I'm super not interested in this debate. Sympthsical Dec 2022 #18

No problem Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #21

Most historians? Yes. The historians who have studied the most? Nope. Goodheart Dec 2022 #33

I sometimes lean in this direction myself. triron Dec 2022 #15

I think the answer to your question splits in three parts. Renew Deal Dec 2022 #20

Perhaps it would be interesting to look into the persistence triron Dec 2022 #27

It doesn't really matter if Jesus existed Buckeyeblue Dec 2022 #22

A trenchant analysis, hell it even sounds like something I'd write nearly verbatim, thanks! (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #24

Ever read this theory before? Hugh_Lebowski Dec 2022 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author Wounded Bear Dec 2022 #9

I believe there was a historical Jesus PlanetBev Dec 2022 #12

Calling Geraldo! NewHendoLib Dec 2022 #13

I've learned so much from this thread. Jesus had a midwife Croney Dec 2022 #19

Actually, it's his father's brother's cousin's former roommate. Iggo Dec 2022 #23

The most important question when considering whether or not some man-god got sent down Goodheart Dec 2022 #34

There isn't any proof that Jesus or God is real or not real. Dysfunctional Dec 2022 #35

Agreed. triron Dec 2022 #36

Salome?? Wasn't she Herod's daughter?? LeftInTX Dec 2022 #37

One of Jesus's sisters was named Salome. leftyladyfrommo Jan 2023 #40

Mel Brooks' 2,000-Year-Old Man was asked, kskiska Dec 2022 #38

It's becoming laughable edhopper Dec 2022 #39