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getagrip_already

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40. you indict him...

Fri Dec 23, 2022, 03:24 PM

Dec 2022

it's very simple. He has zero choice whether to appear in court. ZERO.

He can object all he likes. He can try to refuse to cooperate all he wants. They will just put him in irons and lead him into the courtroom. If he is disruptive, he will be removed and the trial will go on without him being there.

He won't be called before a grand jury since targets aren't usually called. But someone receiving a subpoea to appear will have a bad day if they blow it off.

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I am tired of SOME prosecutors coming on the news saying the DOJ may have a hard time proving [View all] fightforfreedom Dec 2022 OP

They're trying to let you down easy. Frasier Balzov Dec 2022 #1

I think so too. Looks like the only thing they can get him on are the documents. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #2

I do not believe that for a minute, a second. fightforfreedom Dec 2022 #3

That is what some of the talking heads keep saying. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #6

It's all opinions. fightforfreedom Dec 2022 #8

Yep. All of it is an opinion. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #9

That's all a jury is... MiHale Dec 2022 #15

Me too Joinfortmill Dec 2022 #79

Only some are saying that. Elessar Zappa Dec 2022 #4

Could he be prosecuted is not the question. Is there the will to do so? Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #12

Garland is hypersensitive to the accusation of a vengeful prosecution. Frasier Balzov Dec 2022 #71

they have a ton of evidence. 700+ pages. mopinko Dec 2022 #5

We know by now that evidence of a crime means nothing when it comes to Trump. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #10

Yeah, fff didn't like when I posted the same thing. gab13by13 Dec 2022 #11

You don't know what you're talking about re: hearsay. Nt Fiendish Thingy Dec 2022 #14

Explain it to me. gab13by13 Dec 2022 #21

You are confusing hearsay, first hand witness testimony and prima facie evidence. Fiendish Thingy Dec 2022 #31

Trump may not cooperate with anything. Even the document case. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #17

I asked a similar question a year ago, gab13by13 Dec 2022 #25

And we know Garland will not cuff and stuff Trump. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #28

Maybe, or maybe Mr. Smith is going to haul his ass to court. Joinfortmill Dec 2022 #80

So LE has to fight with SS? Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #82

A key bombshell from Cassiday is NOT hearsay! jgo Dec 2022 #77

They won't have a hard time proving anything if decent, honest, thinking citizens are the jury. nt Samrob Dec 2022 #43

Therein lies the problem. :( Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #44

:) "To reject the advice of experts is to assert autonomy, ... Hortensis Dec 2022 #7

I would never call a pundit an expert, gab13by13 Dec 2022 #16

Who is saying that? Fiendish Thingy Dec 2022 #13

Give me one name of an expert gab13by13 Dec 2022 #18

Weird Genki Hikari Dec 2022 #70

Who has? MichMan Dec 2022 #72

Even if they prove it, will Trump cooperate? Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #22

What makes you so certain 'no person, no matter the position, is above the law' Garland Justice matters. Dec 2022 #37

Garland does not want to do down in history as letting Trump make a fool of him. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #38

you always have to be prepared..... getagrip_already Dec 2022 #19

And Trump can refuse to attend a trial, refuse to go to jail, etc. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #24

No he can't. That's ridiculous. fightforfreedom Dec 2022 #29

To assume Trump will cooperate on any level is ridiculous. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #32

Criminal Charges not Civil bpj62 Dec 2022 #56

Trump can say he doesn't have to show up. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #60

This is the real world bpj62 Dec 2022 #64

Good points. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #66

Kid Gloves bpj62 Dec 2022 #73

Yes it is uncharted territory, that is part of what provides the POTUS shield for Trump. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #74

Sadly you are correct bpj62 Dec 2022 #75

It is worse than reluctance to admit we had a criminal POTUS. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #76

Exactly, that's my point. fightforfreedom Dec 2022 #26

The evidence that the J6 committee revealed was hearsay, gab13by13 Dec 2022 #33

there is a lot of direct evidence there as well, but.... getagrip_already Dec 2022 #39

Why do you keep on with this hearsay vs. Circumstantial vs. direct evidence bullshit? Solomon Dec 2022 #69

Amen Joinfortmill Dec 2022 #81

a prosecutor's "source close to the DOJ" could be anybody in the building.. agingdem Dec 2022 #20

Good Post. fightforfreedom Dec 2022 #27

Even if there is evidence, how do you get Trump to a grand jury? Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #30

I could be wrong but a federal grand jury agingdem Dec 2022 #34

How do you get him to trial? Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #35

you indict him... getagrip_already Dec 2022 #40

Will Garland put Trump in leg irons and drag him into court? Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #42

It wouldn't be garland..... getagrip_already Dec 2022 #45

Will law enforcement go up against the Secret Service? Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #47

the ss aren't loyal to trump, they report to the executive branch..... getagrip_already Dec 2022 #52

Some of the SS has been shown to be liars, traitors and loyal to only Trump. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #54

23 months republianmushroom Dec 2022 #23

Any legal analyst who says it will be "easy" to get convictions with a jury-system in place Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #36

"Well prepared" to deal with a vicious, ruthless psychopath ex-president, running for office again? Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #41

They will be well-prepared to deal with both. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #46

I hope you are right. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #48

They seem like very astute and well-experienced people to me. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #49

It is going to be a psychological battle of wits. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #50

You likely know as much about Jack Smith as I do Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #51

I don't know Jack Smith. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #53

I'm confident that Garland made a wise move. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #55

Yes, people who say no and stand firm are alarming to Trump. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #58

I'm sure that Trump will experience mind-rage and will internally wish Smith harm. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #59

Both sides are playing a careful game with traps being set. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #62

I think I see Trump's position as being much weaker than you seem to reason. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #63

Trump acts like a witless buffoon. Irish_Dem Dec 2022 #65

The DOJ is careful because Trump still has a base of political support. Just A Box Of Rain Dec 2022 #68

It appears your opinion is impervious to change. Joinfortmill Dec 2022 #83

we've never gotten beyond the (well traveled) debate stopdiggin Dec 2022 #57

I'm having the same hard time. lees1975 Dec 2022 #61

I agree they shouldn't be doing this FakeNoose Dec 2022 #67

Jack Smith is going to nail hides to the wall. Joinfortmill Dec 2022 #78