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NowsTheTime

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40. They need to change law to make them with less CO emmissions...
Tue Dec 27, 2022, 02:33 PM
Dec 2022
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02/25/generators-carbon-monoxide-safety-rules/

U.S. plans new safety rules to crack down on carbon monoxide poisoning from portable generators

The U.S. agency responsible for protecting consumers announced this week that it intends to recommend new mandatory rules to make portable generators safer, saying manufacturers have not voluntarily done enough to prevent carbon monoxide poisoning deaths caused by their products.

The announcement, part of a 104-page staff report by the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), is a key step toward regulating gas-powered generators, which can emit as much carbon monoxide as 450 cars and which kill an average of 80 people in the U.S. each year.


The commission’s move comes more than two decades after U.S. regulators identified the deadly risks posed by portable generators and two months after an NBC News, ProPublica and Texas Tribune investigation found that federal efforts to make portable generators safer have been stymied by a statutory process that empowers manufacturers to regulate themselves, resulting in limited safety upgrades and continued deaths.

Portable generators, which are often used to power life-saving medical equipment, air conditioners, furnaces and refrigerators after major storms, emit enough carbon monoxide to kill within minutes when operated in enclosed spaces or too close to exterior openings. Carbon monoxide deaths caused by generators occur after nearly every major power outage, including 10 fatalities in Texas tied to generators during last year’s winter storm and power grid failure.

Generator manufacturers say that their products are not dangerous when users follow the safety guidelines in instruction manuals, which include keeping the machines outside, away from doors and windows. But safety advocates say those instructions aren’t always easy to follow, because the machines can’t be operated in rain or snow. And a review of user manuals by the news organizations found that they can provide conflicting messages. Some manuals suggest keeping generators a shorter distance from windows or doors than the 20-foot minimum recommended by the CPSC, while others provide more general guidance such as keeping the machines “far away” from homes.

The new push for mandatory rules has been years in the making. In 2016, after concluding that generator manufacturers could save lives by making machines that emit less carbon monoxide, the CPSC announced plans to make the modification mandatory.

But before the CPSC could impose the rule, industry-friendly federal law required the agency to first allow generator manufacturers to come up with their own safety upgrades and to study whether those voluntary measures were enough to protect consumers.

Industry representatives instead proposed a cheaper safety upgrade: switches that would automatically turn the devices off when carbon monoxide builds up to an unsafe level. They said the shut-off switches would prevent 99% of deaths, but safety advocates argued that that claim was exaggerated. (partial of article)

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Where do you live? PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2022 #1
Upper Michigan. North of Wisconsin. Kaleva Dec 2022 #2
Thank you. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2022 #5
What make is it and what size? GP6971 Dec 2022 #3
Westinghouse model WGEN3600DFCV Kaleva Dec 2022 #6
Thanks!! n/t GP6971 Dec 2022 #8
We need to do the same... Lucinda Dec 2022 #4
It may not be often I need it but when I do, I'll be glad I have it Kaleva Dec 2022 #7
Told my wife that if power is out for several days, our house will be full Kaleva Dec 2022 #9
I have promised a friend who is on an oxygen concentrator that she can come to my house LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #22
I've been looking at a gen as well, Disaffected Dec 2022 #10
I told my husband earlier today that a Luciferous Dec 2022 #11
Please don't get all your info from YouTube. usonian Dec 2022 #12
Also, a sine wave signal one is key for electronics. Many people ignore this to their detriment. TheBlackAdder Dec 2022 #29
You're not kidding about the carbon monoxide... PCIntern Dec 2022 #31
I looked at the manual online for the one I ordered Kaleva Dec 2022 #34
I'll be unplugging the appliances from the house outlets Kaleva Dec 2022 #32
Saved Links Blueplanet Dec 2022 #43
Make sure you have some type of interlock on the switches. Turbineguy Dec 2022 #13
The appliances will be directly hooked up to the generator. Kaleva Dec 2022 #28
That would be safest. Turbineguy Dec 2022 #35
just remember... Locrian Dec 2022 #42
I need to get one Zeitghost Dec 2022 #14
what leads you to say they will be illegal? Captain Zero Dec 2022 #15
The law that passed making them illegal beginning in 2024 Zeitghost Dec 2022 #23
Where is here and why will they be illegal? EOM tiredtoo Dec 2022 #16
California Zeitghost Dec 2022 #25
How will these devices become illegal? LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #21
They will soon be illegal here in CA Zeitghost Dec 2022 #24
Why? LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #26
Yes Zeitghost Dec 2022 #27
Kind of. The bill limits the sale of GAS powered generators only not the use of them. And it's 2028. MrsCoffee Dec 2022 #30
It looks like I have a bit of extra time on the generator Zeitghost Dec 2022 #36
Have one ordered was supposed to be here December 24th. tiredtoo Dec 2022 #17
We got a big one (Generac) earlier this year. phylny Dec 2022 #18
Please tell me... jmowreader Dec 2022 #19
In my setup, I won't need a transfer switch Kaleva Dec 2022 #33
How are you going to get the cords into the house? jmowreader Dec 2022 #44
Basement stairway window Kaleva Dec 2022 #47
Here is a link showing the cable Kaleva Dec 2022 #48
After the Feb 2021 freeze I contacted my light company and started the process LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2022 #20
It might be fun to have generator, but I don't need one. hunter Dec 2022 #37
We bought a whole house generator (Generac) Raftergirl Dec 2022 #38
It'd make riding out a power outage stress free Kaleva Dec 2022 #39
Yes. It is a huge stress reliever! Raftergirl Dec 2022 #41
They need to change law to make them with less CO emmissions... NowsTheTime Dec 2022 #40
I'll be mainly using LP gas which produces much less CO Kaleva Dec 2022 #46
We have a Generac, runs on propane mainer Dec 2022 #45
For those on a tight budget: EX500rider Dec 2022 #49
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