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localroger

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7. Sorry, but if this is true then the Constitution is a dead letter printed on a roll of toilet paper

Reply to marybourg (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 1, 2023, 01:15 PM

Jan 2023

Our country was built on a bedrock of principles that the Founders knew would be difficult to maintain exactly because of arguments like this. Once you say "Due process is a great idea EXCEPT..." then you have just castrated the whole idea, no matter what the thing is that follows the word "except." See, for example, how well the whole "except for slavery" thing went.

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In Child Welfare Cases, Most of Your Constitutional Rights Don't Apply [View all] WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2023 OP

For good reason - the life of a child or children marybourg Jan 2023 #1

I disagree. It's also not a calculation at all, but a legal gray area that is sorely under-studied WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2023 #2

Everything you say is true. marybourg Jan 2023 #3

Why? WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2023 #4

Because society in general has made that calculation; marybourg Jan 2023 #5

That doesn't answer why, and it's not a calculation that's been made; it's happened because of the WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2023 #6

Sorry, but if this is true then the Constitution is a dead letter printed on a roll of toilet paper localroger Jan 2023 #7

+1 leftstreet Jan 2023 #21

What's worse, they need only three accusers to act peppertree Jan 2023 #8

Years ago I remember that case where a baby died from SIDS or something like that Maraya1969 Jan 2023 #9

The welfare of the child is the responsibility of the state. LuvLoogie Jan 2023 #10

. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2023 #11

Intangibles notwithstanding, there is a cost LuvLoogie Jan 2023 #12

Having been a foster parent, I feel many adults shouldn't be parents Kaleva Jan 2023 #13

That can be true while also acknowledging that parents shouldn't have their rights trampled. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2023 #15

From my experience, parents are given many chances Kaleva Jan 2023 #18

Well... if it saves one child.... Fla_Democrat Jan 2023 #14

interesting...... Takket Jan 2023 #16

First off - I agree that the system is broken - and disproportionately deprives Ms. Toad Jan 2023 #17

Getting off drugs would help many parents Kaleva Jan 2023 #19

That doesn't address the disparity with which children are removed Ms. Toad Jan 2023 #23

The kids from rich families probably arent severely malnourished Kaleva Jan 2023 #24

The point isn't whehter individual poor/minority children Ms. Toad Jan 2023 #25

The rules are different for Native American children Kaleva Jan 2023 #26

The rules are different BECAUSE of the express program of removing native children Ms. Toad Jan 2023 #27

How often do you hear of a naked 3 year old girl found in a ditch Kaleva Jan 2023 #28

I don't know how it is in all states. shrike3 Jan 2023 #20

DURec leftstreet Jan 2023 #22