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LuvLoogie

(8,857 posts)
12. Intangibles notwithstanding, there is a cost
Sun Jan 1, 2023, 06:19 PM
Jan 2023

in time, energy, and commitment to getting every outcome right.

Any government system, e.g. child welfare, justice, education, health, is subject to the same breakdowns, whatever the cause, e.g. funding, bigotry, apathy, staffing, training, personnel screening, etc.

Civil society has recognized minors as individuals with Civil rights. Parents don't own their children. The society has to continue to improve its systems, adjusting to new information, analysis of data, redesigning infrastructure.

Child welfare steps in when the family unit fails or faulters, whatever the cause, e.g. substance abuse, income, health emergencies, etc.

Early intervention can often avoid many of the problems you cite. If the state comes to remove your children, chances are you fucked up or your state's welfare system didn't help you enough to avoid crisis and the breakdown of your mental ability to cope.

If someone is weaponizing the system against you, then severe prosecution of that person or persons is warranted. I understand that system abuse can occur by those running the systems. Severe prosecution is warranted then, as well.

Child welfare doesn't deal with root cause intervention. It is a salvage operation that focuses on the health and safety of the child. It is the parent's responsibility to show competence, and will have to jump through the hoops the state sets. Whether that's seeking substance abuse treatment, applying for medicaid, food assistance,etc.

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For good reason - the life of a child or children marybourg Jan 2023 #1
I disagree. It's also not a calculation at all, but a legal gray area that is sorely under-studied WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2023 #2
Everything you say is true. marybourg Jan 2023 #3
Why? WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2023 #4
Because society in general has made that calculation; marybourg Jan 2023 #5
That doesn't answer why, and it's not a calculation that's been made; it's happened because of the WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2023 #6
Sorry, but if this is true then the Constitution is a dead letter printed on a roll of toilet paper localroger Jan 2023 #7
+1 leftstreet Jan 2023 #21
What's worse, they need only three accusers to act peppertree Jan 2023 #8
Years ago I remember that case where a baby died from SIDS or something like that Maraya1969 Jan 2023 #9
The welfare of the child is the responsibility of the state. LuvLoogie Jan 2023 #10
. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2023 #11
Intangibles notwithstanding, there is a cost LuvLoogie Jan 2023 #12
Having been a foster parent, I feel many adults shouldn't be parents Kaleva Jan 2023 #13
That can be true while also acknowledging that parents shouldn't have their rights trampled. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2023 #15
From my experience, parents are given many chances Kaleva Jan 2023 #18
Well... if it saves one child.... Fla_Democrat Jan 2023 #14
interesting...... Takket Jan 2023 #16
First off - I agree that the system is broken - and disproportionately deprives Ms. Toad Jan 2023 #17
Getting off drugs would help many parents Kaleva Jan 2023 #19
That doesn't address the disparity with which children are removed Ms. Toad Jan 2023 #23
The kids from rich families probably arent severely malnourished Kaleva Jan 2023 #24
The point isn't whehter individual poor/minority children Ms. Toad Jan 2023 #25
The rules are different for Native American children Kaleva Jan 2023 #26
The rules are different BECAUSE of the express program of removing native children Ms. Toad Jan 2023 #27
How often do you hear of a naked 3 year old girl found in a ditch Kaleva Jan 2023 #28
I don't know how it is in all states. shrike3 Jan 2023 #20
DURec leftstreet Jan 2023 #22
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